Skyfall - Grading & Discussion

[T'Baio]

Ian Keldon wrote:

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I wasn't aware that you get shirty when someone points out the absurdity of your opinion.

Good to know. Thanks.

What's "shirty" mean?

[trevanian]

Starkers wrote:

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What a great idea, point the car with the fixed guns away from the house! That’ll do some good against Silva’s goons stretched out in a big long skirmish line, much cleverer than facing those fixed guns towards the front door that most of the goons were going to have to congregate in front of in a big, easy to hit bundle…

They have to come past, you can start the car and pivot, you're also getting them BEFORE they get near the place, thinning the numbers that much more, AND you can drive away as they go for cover, assuming you don't get them all, but ... y'know what? this is like the old days trying to talk sense to ENTERPRISE fans. If you can't see that every bit of 'strategy' in this is horseshit, then revel in your POV.

[Brikar99]

trevanian wrote:

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They have to come past, you can start the car and pivot, you're also getting them BEFORE they get near the place, thinning the numbers that much more, AND you can drive away as they go for cover, assuming you don't get them all, but ... y'know what? this is like the old days trying to talk sense to ENTERPRISE fans. If you can't see that every bit of 'strategy' in this is horseshit, then revel in your POV.

And losing every element of surprise that Bond desperately needs to overcome a larger, more heavily armed force. Driving the car around a field in Scotland trying to run down mercenaries is absurdly stupid... dare I say, "horseshit."

[Starkers]

Yeah, the DB5's guns are great for what they're designed to do, i.e. engage other vehicles in combat or hit a static target, against a bunch of men they're useless unless you can bunch those men up to make a big target. The notion that you could start the car up and "pivot" is daft, it's not some kind of hover car, it's a 1960's sports car, which just adds to the ludicrousness of the idea of haring around the countryside trying to take out a bunch of armed men.

The car won’t move great over that ground, it's not a 4x4, it's used to roads not uneven/icy ground, in fact it might not move at all, and even if it does it’s going to move slowly, so what you have is a slow moving big target, vs. lots of more manoeuvrable smaller targets with automatic weapons.

[lurok]

Maybe they're getting it mixed up with the Batman Returns batmobile?

[Starkers]

Now if 007 had had that it'd have been worth taking the fight to the bad guys!

[Dimesdan]

Ian Keldon wrote:

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"People who perpetually hunt for witches to burn inevitably find them..." as the saying goes.

Arn't you the same chap who created a thread a while back comparing the fictional Empire from Star Wars with the not at all fictional Third Reich and thus anyone who likes said Empire being a sympathiser with said non-fictional regime?

Pot, Kettle, Black anyone?

[Gaith]

^ Perhaps we can all agree that, while opinions may vary on the wisdom of the car placement, Q was mind-bogglingly irresponsible by not isolating his computer before accessing Silva's?

... And I'm still wondering how he got out of his cell, seeing as he was being watched by two armed guards at a safe distance. Maybe his virus deactivated the guards' nervous systems?

And M should never have let anyone on 00 duty who couldn't reliably hit a stationary target at his leisure in a shooting-range setting.

Mister Fandango wrote:

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This wasn't "James Bond Takes on the Slave Trade," you know.

And now I find myself wishing that it was. Given his promiscuity, Bond vs. sex-trade criminals could be a genuinely interesting concept. But his sexing up the girl did strike me as pretty ick also, given the context. And the plot we did get I just didn't find at all compelling.

I wanted and expected to like the movie, but lame drama Q's stupidity and the flashlight drove me up the wall. I give this a C-, worse than QoS's C+ for the weakest Craig entry yet. Skyfail, indeed.

[Starkers]

Gaith wrote:

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^ Perhaps we can all agree that, while opinions may vary on the wisdom of the car placement, Q was mind-bogglingly irresponsible by not isolating his computer before accessing Silva's?

Oh no question

[lurok]

Gaith wrote:

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...Bond vs. sex-trade criminals could be a genuinely interesting concept.

Perhaps they can remake Enter The Dragon for the next one?

[doubleohfive]

Dimesdan wrote:

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Arn't you the same chap who created a thread a while back comparing the fictional Empire from Star Wars with the not at all fictional Third Reich and thus anyone who likes said Empire being a sympathiser with said non-fictional regime?

Pot, Kettle, Black anyone?

Very much so.

T'Baio wrote:

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What's "shirty" mean?

It means he can't marshall enough resolve to be open-minded enough to consider your point, because in doing so it might (God forbid!) acknowledge that he isn't totally right.

[Sandoval]

T'Baio wrote:

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What's "shirty" mean?

It's when people tuck their shirts into their trousers but the shirts sort of work their way loose and end up ballooning up in that way they tend to do.

You know what I mean?

"Tuck yourself back in, Scott, you're looking a bit shirty."

[Captaindemotion]

lurok wrote:

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Perhaps they can remake Enter The Dragon for the next one?

Didn't they do that with The Man With The Golden Gun?

[sojourner]

Gaith wrote:

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and the flashlight drove me up the wall

Wait, what's this about a flashlight?

[Mister Fandango]

sojourner wrote:

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Wait, what's this about a flashlight?

"Okay, M, I'm going to sneak you out of this tunnel in the cover of darkness so that the guys with guns just over there can't see us. While doing so, I'm going to wave this flashlight all over the fucking place. No one will be the wiser. Because, you know, we're sneaking. In darkness. With a flashlight I'm flailing around wildly. Solid plan, amirite?!"