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Old November 28 2012, 08:47 AM   #106
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Re: Is WB simply afraid of Wonder Woman?

Come now. Even if one were to take those films to task for all their sins, Hannah is at least enjoyable for its long take action photography and Prometheus for its excellent production design.
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Old November 28 2012, 11:27 AM   #107
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Come now. Even if one were to take those films to task for all their sins, Hannah is at least enjoyable for its long take action photography and Prometheus for its excellent production design.
You're right, what I said was unfair. But in my opinion, there's no point in looking for nice things to say about mediocre movies: life's too short and there are thousands of good movies I'd rather watch.
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Old November 28 2012, 02:53 PM   #108
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Hanna and Prometheus also both had fine lead performances from Ronan and Rapace. Also, please note that I called The Golden Compass my favorite book; I said nothing about the movie.
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Old November 28 2012, 03:55 PM   #109
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If you relate to Bella Swan on any level, it's time to give up ad move to Cleveland.
I wasn't talking about any of the specific events or actions in the movie I just meant the ideas in general. All I meant was that it is not impossible for a male to relate to things happening to a female protagonist or the other way around.
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Old November 28 2012, 04:23 PM   #110
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Of course I can relate to emotions experienced by females. The Golden Compass is my favorite book bar none. You don't think I enjoyed Prometheus and Hanna for their compelling male characters, now, do ye?
Yet for some reason you can't relate to actions performed by women such as beating up bad guys, wielding cool gadgets, and being all badass?
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Old November 28 2012, 04:33 PM   #111
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I wasn't talking about any of the specific events or actions in the movie I just meant the ideas in general. All I meant was that it is not impossible for a male to relate to things happening to a female protagonist or the other way around.
Surely this statement constitutes a BBS Moment of Courage. Who on Earth would say that it was?

(Hint: reread my earlier posts carefully before replying "Gaith".)



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Of course I can relate to emotions experienced by females. The Golden Compass is my favorite book bar none. You don't think I enjoyed Prometheus and Hanna for their compelling male characters, now, do ye?
Yet for some reason you can't relate to actions performed by women such as beating up bad guys, wielding cool gadgets, and being all badass?
I can't really relate to men or women doing that, as those aren't exactly traits/skills of mine. But while seeing male characters doing so can serve as wish fulfillment/projection fantasies for me personally, female characters can't.

I don't see what's so hard to grok about this. You and JD seem to be making a blithe conflation of relatability with personal wish fulfillment that I never have, and in so doing are beating up on a straw man. Congrats.
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Old November 28 2012, 04:40 PM   #112
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I can't really relate to men or women doing that, as those aren't exactly traits/skills of mine. But while seeing male characters doing so can serve as wish fulfillment/projection fantasies, female characters can't.

I don't see what's so hard to grok about this. You're making a conflation of relatability and wish fulfillment I never have, and in so doing beating up on a straw man.
And why can't women fulfil that same wish fulfilment? What's so hard about watching the badass things the female protagonist is doing and imagining yourself in her position without also picturing yourself with a vagina?
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Old November 28 2012, 05:08 PM   #113
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And why can't women fulfil that same wish fulfilment? What's so hard about watching the badass things the female protagonist is doing and imagining yourself in her position without also picturing yourself with a vagina?
Why are you getting so bent out of shape over what I've clearly labeled as my own personal wish fulfillment projections? Would you like to critique my favorite erotic acts, also? Perhaps you'd like to evaluate my preferences in cereal varieties while you're at it?
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Old November 29 2012, 01:18 AM   #114
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Come now. Even if one were to take those films to task for all their sins, Hannah is at least enjoyable for its long take action photography and Prometheus for its excellent production design.
You're right, what I said was unfair. But in my opinion, there's no point in looking for nice things to say about mediocre movies: life's too short and there are thousands of good movies I'd rather watch.
This, on the other hand, is quite fair. Personally, I'm as fascinated by the mediocre movies as the great ones, but I can understand your point-of-view.
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Old November 29 2012, 05:25 AM   #115
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I think people forget that Iron Man was the success it was because it was good. It had great reviews and reached a cross audience of people who don't normally like super-hero movies. Salman Rushdie raved about how good it was (granted he also said he didn't like the ending when it turned into a super-hero movie) and normally "snooty" critiques liked it too. This success crossed over to the other Marvel movies.

Wonder Woman, if it is good, will do the same thing as Iron Man.
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Old November 29 2012, 02:53 PM   #116
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I think people forget that Iron Man was the success it was because it was good.
No. Nobody has ever for a moment forgotten that.


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Wonder Woman, if it is good, will do the same thing as Iron Man.
The mere act of saying so does not make that true. And, on a related matter, where the devil's my Hot Rod 2?!
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Old November 29 2012, 07:05 PM   #117
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The issue with Iron Man is not whether or not it was good, but that it got greenlit, and which a Joss Whedon written Wonder Woman could not get done.
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Old November 29 2012, 07:21 PM   #118
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Whenever I read the title of this thread, I keep picturing some wimpy, ineffectual upper manager cowering beneath his desk as Wonder Woman leans over it supporting her upper body with her arms (which would provide the pencil pusher a glorious view of her cleavage if he just had the courage to crawl from his hidey-hole).

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Old November 30 2012, 03:48 AM   #119
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FYI: EW.com has an update on the CW's proposed teen Wonder Woman series, tentatively titled Amazon. Apparently they haven't green-lighted a pilot yet, but they're starting to think about casting.

Could work as a companion series to ARROW. Certainly TV has been a lot more hospitable to female action heroes than movies have: Xena, Alias, Buffy, Nikita (twice), etc.

Not to mention a certain iconic TV series back in the seventies . . ..
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Old November 30 2012, 04:35 AM   #120
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^ I am all for 'Amazon'!

http://wonderwomantv.com/5158/wonder...zon-meet-iris/
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