Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread - Page 66

BillJ · November 28 2012, 09:50 PM

FrontierTrek wrote:

Edit - OK, I see your apologies. I think I'll be leaving this thread, it's just turned silly in the past week or so. The lack of objectivity from some people is astounding.

But why was it okay to fawn over season one based on pre-release screencaps but wrong to be critical of season two based on pre-release screencaps?

Honestly, if HTV does season four, what makes you think we'll see an upgrade over the work of season two? If they are re-hired it will be because CBS is pleased with the work they've done. Correct?

Dac · November 28 2012, 10:01 PM

I think FrontierTrek is standing by the saying don't judge a book by it's cover. Which is fair.

The problem is we've seen the cover, the glossary, pages 12, 48, 77, 79, 81, 90, 99, 102, 110, 147 and 210, and 12, 77, 81, 90 110 and 147 looked bad compared to screencaps from the first season. To stretch the analogy to the limit - we haven't read the whole book yet, and I'm sure its fine as whole - but a sizeable part of the individual elements don't stand up to scrutiny the way they did in season 1.

It's a bit like going to the bathroom in a high end japanese hotel vs taking a dump in a gas station toilet. Your doing the same thing, but they're very, very different experiences.

throwback · November 28 2012, 10:04 PM

As someone who is mentally disabled, I didn't appreciate that my dislike for what I am seeing is somehow tied to the fact that I am not like other 'normal' people.

The work on Season 2 was done by a company that hasn't updated its web site since 2010. This company was notable as the employer of Dan Curry. They have done work on restoring films, such as Patton, for DVD. The company promoted itself as a leader in restoration.

Yet, when screenshots were released, and when those screenshots were compared to work done on an earlier season, what was demonstrated was that the company was not a leader in restoration. The quality of their work fell in between SD and HD. Their efforts fell short of the mark set by CBS Digital.

LOKAI of CHERON · November 28 2012, 10:10 PM

throwback wrote:

As someone who is mentally disabled, I didn't appreciate that my dislike for what I am seeing is somehow tied to the fact that I am not like other 'normal' people.

Well said, sir. Through familial circumstance, I am intimately familiar with Aspergers/Autism - and that comment was not only crass, but frankly, quite insulting.

Harvey · November 28 2012, 10:21 PM

throwback wrote:

They have done work on restoring films, such as Patton, for DVD. The company promoted itself as a leader in restoration.

Wait -- this isn't the same company that did that shoddy restoration work on Patton a few years ago, is it? A restoration that scrubbed out so much detail that Fox shelled out for a new high definition transfer this year.

(A Google search finds this page, which claims they were indeed responsible for that work.)

TheSeeker · November 28 2012, 10:33 PM

Well that's not exactly comforting, is it?

throwback · November 28 2012, 10:42 PM

Yes. I like this comment on the issue from a review:

Of course, Patton has been released on disc before in both 2-disc and single-disc DVD editions as well as 2-disc Blu-ray. Most of you will already be aware though that the Blu-ray version was widely disappointing, as its 2.20:1/1080p video presentation was “digitally mastered” to the point of being unwatchable. The company involved in the re-master intentionally filtered away all trace of grain from the image such that very little of the detail that should have been present in a 65mm negative transfer was left. Thankfully Twentieth Century Fox’s Senior Vice-President of Library and Technical Services, Schawn Belston, has been given the chance to correct this injustice and the resulting BD presentation is exemplary.

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/item/patton-remastered

Minuet · November 29 2012, 12:08 AM

From what I've seen, if season two is of this quality, even if it isn't up to par with season one, I'm perfectly content with it. I have a hunch that, after watching the actual Blu-rays, most people here will be like, "Well, all right. It doesn't look as bad as we thought."

Just watch. I'd bet money on it, if I wasn't currently unemployed.

RAMA · November 29 2012, 12:21 AM

BillJ wrote:

Apologies to FrontierTrek for the "shill" remark. Just caught me in a foul mood earlier.

But I didn't see anyone getting defensive when people were drooling over the season one screencaps nor was anyone telling people they needed to wait for the set to actually come out before commenting positively on the work done by CBS-Digital.

There were plenty of people who were saying it was just the same tv series but clearer, so yeah there were complaints there too.

throwback · November 29 2012, 01:08 AM

Well, there is the episode "Shades of Gray". With clips from the first season, I think we can better judge the quality of HTV Illuminate's work.

Flake · November 29 2012, 01:41 AM

Bit I am most looking forward to right now is the 3rd season trailer! Must. See. It.

Its my fav season of TNG

It is the peak of TNG due to the passing of the torch from the Roddenberry-era to the Berman-era producers. The transition from one team to the other happens in season 3 and it retains the best elements of both

Gradually from Season 4 onward the Berman producing team removes bit by bit elements of S1 & S2 until eventually there is not much left.... replaced with the lighting & direction of a daytime soap opera and musical score to match :P (ok, a bit harsh, but you get my drift)

davejames · November 29 2012, 02:18 AM

Flake wrote:

Bit I am most looking forward to right now is the 3rd season trailer! Must. See. It.

Its my fav season of TNG

It is the peak of TNG due to the passing of the torch from the Roddenberry-era to the Berman-era producers. The transition from one team to the other happens in season 3 and it retains the best elements of both

Gradually from Season 4 onward the Berman producing team removes bit by bit elements of S1 & S2 until eventually there is not much left.... replaced with the lighting & direction of a daytime soap opera and musical score to match :P (ok, a bit harsh, but you get my drift)

I've always thought the overall quality stayed strong from S3-S6. But yeah, in terms of lighting and music, I agree S3 probably had the best combination of styles.

Maxwell Everett · November 29 2012, 02:37 AM

Flake wrote:

Bit I am most looking forward to right now is the 3rd season trailer! Must. See. It.

It's really fantastic. It's running time is a fairly good 2:39... here's the content you'll see in the order they first appear:

The Best of Both Worlds, Part I - Live-action & VFX - tons of shots throughout
Evolution - VFX
Yesterday's Enterprise - Live-action & VFX - tons of shots throughout
Deja Q - Live-action & VFX
Sins of the Father - Live-action
The Defector - VFX
The High Ground - Live-action
The Survivors - Live-action & VFX
The Hunted - Live-action
Booby Trap - Live-action & VFX
The Offspring - Live-action
The Enemy - Live-action
Tin Man - Live-action & VFX
The Vengeance Factor - Live-action & VFX

***

Oh, and so far I've thoroughly checked discs 1 & 2 of the S2 set and checked the main DTS-HD 7.1 and secondary English 2.0 tracks and there are no audio problems that I could tell. Front soundstage sounded discrete, dialogue in the center, bass sounded good and not random like in "Coming of Age." The 2.0's had proper Dolby Pro Logic IIX decoding.

So, now onto the next three discs.

mswood · November 29 2012, 02:55 AM

FrontierTrek wrote:

BillJ wrote:

All I know, is that its going to be great that one half of Best of Both Worlds looks awesome, while the other half looks like ass.

Ridiculous. These comments really piss me off when you haven't even seen Season 2, never mind the fact that you have no idea what CBS may have planned for BOBW. Try writing a critique when you've SEEN what you're supposed to be criticizing.

You do realize that illegal means are currently available to watch these (have been since the weekend). People can actually claim seeing them without it technically being released to the public.

I don't know who would admit to it. But the claim that people haven't seen it, isn't now something that can be said, with certainty.

jimbotron · November 29 2012, 05:42 AM

HTV did the original Patton Blu-ray.....whoa boy. Clearly they learned their lesson since much of the live action retains a film-like appearance....except for the stray shot that contains an effects element.

Oddly enough, I think I'll be checking out Shades of Gray first (such a scary thought). I want to see how the season 1 stock footage compares. You'd think they'd just drop in the footage as-is from season 1, but since they didn't do that with any of the effects, I doubt that will be the case. I'm not sure what to expect. I'm sure comparisons will be posted soon after release.

November 28 2012, 10:01 PM	#977
Dac Commodore Location: The Essex wastes...	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread I think FrontierTrek is standing by the saying don't judge a book by it's cover. Which is fair. The problem is we've seen the cover, the glossary, pages 12, 48, 77, 79, 81, 90, 99, 102, 110, 147 and 210, and 12, 77, 81, 90 110 and 147 looked bad compared to screencaps from the first season. To stretch the analogy to the limit - we haven't read the whole book yet, and I'm sure its fine as whole - but a sizeable part of the individual elements don't stand up to scrutiny the way they did in season 1. It's a bit like going to the bathroom in a high end japanese hotel vs taking a dump in a gas station toilet. Your doing the same thing, but they're very, very different experiences.

November 28 2012, 10:04 PM	#978
throwback Captain	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread As someone who is mentally disabled, I didn't appreciate that my dislike for what I am seeing is somehow tied to the fact that I am not like other 'normal' people. The work on Season 2 was done by a company that hasn't updated its web site since 2010. This company was notable as the employer of Dan Curry. They have done work on restoring films, such as Patton, for DVD. The company promoted itself as a leader in restoration. Yet, when screenshots were released, and when those screenshots were compared to work done on an earlier season, what was demonstrated was that the company was not a leader in restoration. The quality of their work fell in between SD and HD. Their efforts fell short of the mark set by CBS Digital.

November 28 2012, 10:33 PM	#981
TheSeeker Vice Admiral Location: New York, NY	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread Well that's not exactly comforting, is it?

November 29 2012, 12:08 AM	#983
Minuet Lieutenant Commander Location: The marvelous progressive utopia of California	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread From what I've seen, if season two is of this quality, even if it isn't up to par with season one, I'm perfectly content with it. I have a hunch that, after watching the actual Blu-rays, most people here will be like, "Well, all right. It doesn't look as bad as we thought." Just watch. I'd bet money on it, if I wasn't currently unemployed. __________________ "What's a knockout like you doing in a computer generated gin joint like this?"

November 29 2012, 01:08 AM	#985
throwback Captain	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread Well, there is the episode "Shades of Gray". With clips from the first season, I think we can better judge the quality of HTV Illuminate's work.

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November 29 2012, 01:41 AM	#986
Flake Commodore Location: Manchester, UK	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread Bit I am most looking forward to right now is the 3rd season trailer! Must. See. It. Its my fav season of TNG It is the peak of TNG due to the passing of the torch from the Roddenberry-era to the Berman-era producers. The transition from one team to the other happens in season 3 and it retains the best elements of both Gradually from Season 4 onward the Berman producing team removes bit by bit elements of S1 & S2 until eventually there is not much left.... replaced with the lighting & direction of a daytime soap opera and musical score to match :P (ok, a bit harsh, but you get my drift)

November 29 2012, 05:42 AM	#990
jimbotron Commander Location: Bay Area, CA	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread HTV did the original Patton Blu-ray.....whoa boy. Clearly they learned their lesson since much of the live action retains a film-like appearance....except for the stray shot that contains an effects element. Oddly enough, I think I'll be checking out Shades of Gray first (such a scary thought). I want to see how the season 1 stock footage compares. You'd think they'd just drop in the footage as-is from season 1, but since they didn't do that with any of the effects, I doubt that will be the case. I'm not sure what to expect. I'm sure comparisons will be posted soon after release.