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Old November 27 2012, 02:48 AM   #316
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^Trying to channel Guy Gardner?
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Old November 27 2012, 02:59 AM   #317
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[Her man is dead (must've happened sometime in between the movies because i do recall a man in her house in Casino Royale when Bond calls her private number)
I thought that scene was in Quantum of Solace?
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Old November 27 2012, 03:18 AM   #318
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[Her man is dead (must've happened sometime in between the movies because i do recall a man in her house in Casino Royale when Bond calls her private number)
I thought that scene was in Quantum of Solace?
CR. Bond's in Bermuda and accessing the MI6 network to check on the associates of Dmitrios, include Le Chiffre. IT calls M, wakes her, and tells her Bond's accessing the network using her username and password. She says, "How the devil does he know these things?" A man is sleeping next to her.

Sound familiar now?
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Old November 27 2012, 03:58 AM   #319
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IOW: ignore the "received text" of the actual film and dream up whatever you want to graft onto it in the name of "deconstruction" or some other trendy post-modern type of analysis...
IOW: only the way you see it matters.
Not all points of view are legitimate, and those people who in a rather paranoid fashion search every letter and comma of a text (or every frame and scene of a movie) looking for things they can twist to suggest hidden meanings not intended by the author are among the illegitimate points of view.

"People who perpetually hunt for witches to burn inevitably find them..." as the saying goes.
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Old November 27 2012, 04:17 AM   #320
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I wasn't aware you were the arbiter of legitimate points of view on TBBS.

Good to know. Thanks.
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Old November 27 2012, 04:56 AM   #321
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The new M remains to be seen what he brings to the table.. he's handy in a fight being an ex SAS man and is willing to break the rules if the results are worth it.
Which is odd considering what happened here: Bond's plan did NOT work! Sure they killed and stopped Silva from his evil plans or whatever he had planed to do next. (I think the NOC List thread was taken care of and no longer an issue.) But Silva still succeeded in his end goal: To kill M!

If Bond had NOT kidnapped M, sure, Silva may never have been captured which would have lead to M's disgrace in leaving MI6, but she'd be alive. In the end, kidnapping M helped Silva to get his goal: to kill her.

So Bond failed in this task of protecting M. But won in stopping Silva. Sort of a push, but it's an odd "win" for sure.
As I said upthred, it wasn't abou protectng M, it was aout protecting everyone else.Number of innocent civilians killed by Slva after Bond kidnaps M? Zero.
No, it's just idiot plotting, arbitrary as hell. The people put at risk if they'd had SAS tucked away in Scotland wouldn't be innocent civilians, they'd be professionals and 'risk is our business' isn't it? Going the HIGH NOON route puts SKYFALL squarely in the OUTLAND territory of retreading a classic but doing so out of context, which invalidates the whole thing (but at least OUTLAND had Sean Connery!)

Bond (if you even consider this character in the 21st century films to even be Bond) has failed in two out of three movies -- oddly enough, the ones that most people, not me, fawn all over. Quantum got away with the money in CR, and he failed to save M -- thank God! -- in this one.

Even the 'old school' bare bones notion of action doesn't hold water, because they're still using a gadgeted-up Aston Martin (trotted in from another continuum!) and using it badly, since it should have been parked FACING the badguys, which would have taken them out before they got close.

So arbitrary it is like Lucas wrote it.
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Old November 27 2012, 06:35 AM   #322
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^Trying to channel Guy Gardner?
There's bizarre sexual innuendo in my post?

Very creative of me!
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Old November 27 2012, 09:55 AM   #323
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Which is odd considering what happened here: Bond's plan did NOT work! Sure they killed and stopped Silva from his evil plans or whatever he had planed to do next. (I think the NOC List thread was taken care of and no longer an issue.) But Silva still succeeded in his end goal: To kill M!

If Bond had NOT kidnapped M, sure, Silva may never have been captured which would have lead to M's disgrace in leaving MI6, but she'd be alive. In the end, kidnapping M helped Silva to get his goal: to kill her.

So Bond failed in this task of protecting M. But won in stopping Silva. Sort of a push, but it's an odd "win" for sure.
As I said upthred, it wasn't abou protectng M, it was aout protecting everyone else.Number of innocent civilians killed by Slva after Bond kidnaps M? Zero.
No, it's just idiot plotting, arbitrary as hell. The people put at risk if they'd had SAS tucked away in Scotland wouldn't be innocent civilians, they'd be professionals and 'risk is our business' isn't it? Going the HIGH NOON route puts SKYFALL squarely in the OUTLAND territory of retreading a classic but doing so out of context, which invalidates the whole thing (but at least OUTLAND had Sean Connery!)

Bond (if you even consider this character in the 21st century films to even be Bond) has failed in two out of three movies -- oddly enough, the ones that most people, not me, fawn all over. Quantum got away with the money in CR, and he failed to save M -- thank God! -- in this one.

Even the 'old school' bare bones notion of action doesn't hold water, because they're still using a gadgeted-up Aston Martin (trotted in from another continuum!) and using it badly, since it should have been parked FACING the badguys, which would have taken them out before they got close.

So arbitrary it is like Lucas wrote it.
What a great idea, point the car with the fixed guns away from the house! That’ll do some good against Silva’s goons stretched out in a big long skirmish line, much cleverer than facing those fixed guns towards the front door that most of the goons were going to have to congregate in front of in a big, easy to hit bundle…
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Old November 27 2012, 02:56 PM   #324
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[Her man is dead (must've happened sometime in between the movies because i do recall a man in her house in Casino Royale when Bond calls her private number)
I thought that scene was in Quantum of Solace?
CR. Bond's in Bermuda and accessing the MI6 network to check on the associates of Dmitrios, include Le Chiffre. IT calls M, wakes her, and tells her Bond's accessing the network using her username and password. She says, "How the devil does he know these things?" A man is sleeping next to her.

Sound familiar now?
Kind of, but for some reason I was sure it was in QoS. I really should watch these movies more often.
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Old November 27 2012, 03:04 PM   #325
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Kind of, but for some reason I was sure it was in QoS. I really should watch these movies more often.
In QoS he actually breaks into her house, I believe.
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Old November 27 2012, 03:11 PM   #326
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No that's Casino Royale as well
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Old November 27 2012, 04:07 PM   #327
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Old November 27 2012, 04:59 PM   #328
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I wasn't aware you were the arbiter of legitimate points of view on TBBS.

Good to know. Thanks.
I wasn't aware that you get shirty when someone points out the absurdity of your opinion.

Good to know. Thanks.
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Old November 27 2012, 08:22 PM   #329
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M's husband puts a call through for her whilst she's ruining a bath in QoS as well.

Well, that's the assumption anyway. Mr. M might have died years before CR and she's now just a casual sex maniac.

Agreed with the notion that M goes along with Bond's plan not because it's the sensible thing to do, but because sorting out her own shit is the right thing to do. I had problems with a lot of the film's plotting (including that everyone who went along with it keeping their jobs) but that choice made sense for both her and Bond.

Q probably should have been also sacked for plugging a computer genius' drive into his mainframe without expecting bad stuff to happen.
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Old November 27 2012, 09:38 PM   #330
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I just saw "Skyfall" a few days back, and I thought it was an awesome picture. I look to go again once I have the time....(and maybe see it in IMAX).

Daniel Craig is my favorite Bond...
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