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Old November 26 2012, 10:08 PM   #841
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But this to me sums it up perfectly, there is no reason why these 2 shots should be in any way dissimilar.


Wow, the second shot looks horrible, the people who did that are hacks, period. There is absolutely no excuse for it looking so much worse, it's literally the same shot. What were they thinking?
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Old November 26 2012, 10:12 PM   #842
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They used the same planet in both episodes, just like they where in SD. But Angel One did come first
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Old November 26 2012, 10:21 PM   #843
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The exterior shots are notably worst in quality from the CBS-D shots.

Whereas the CBS-D team took 'remain true to the original look and feel' as recreate the shots and make them look amazing while remaining true to the look of the original shot, HTV seems to have sadly understood that as 'scan in the film, done'.
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Old November 26 2012, 10:22 PM   #844
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http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/160435

I quickly pasted in the original shot (or as close as I could get from TrekCore's SD screencaps. It's a few seconds off) literally upscaled (resized) to match the HD version as closely as possible.

Sure, the original has some VHS fuzz on it, but is it me or is there sharper edges/more "realistic" contrast and overall detail (minus the fuzz of course) than the new HD version?

Most of the other shots can be explained away via preference for matching the original, but why it looks this bad is just incomprehensible to me. :S
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Old November 26 2012, 10:28 PM   #845
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Kind of looks like a first test, showing the scan without any image processing, rather than the final product to me.
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Old November 26 2012, 10:33 PM   #846
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Well I'm going to the Season 2 event on Thursday so I guess I'll see how it looks in motion. I'm hopeful that the stills are somewhat misleading.
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Old November 26 2012, 10:33 PM   #847
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Anyone have an opinion on this shot? It gets pointed out in the TrekCore review but as CGI replacement shots for missing model elements go its the best we've seen produced so far. I think its a good attempt, the ship looks sharp, the bussard collector and warp grilles look much better than anything HTV did with the actual model.

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/image...ence_probe.jpg
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Old November 26 2012, 10:39 PM   #848
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I don't hate it, but it stands out very clearly as CGI...if only for the fact that a lot of the other Enterprise shots seems to be sub-par. No consistency. That planet shot a few posts above is a shocker.
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Old November 26 2012, 10:42 PM   #849
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Anyone have an opinion on this shot? It gets pointed out in the TrekCore review but as CGI replacement shots for missing model elements go its the best we've seen produced so far. I think its a good attempt, the ship looks sharp, the bussard collector and warp grilles look much better than anything HTV did with the actual model.

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/image...ence_probe.jpg

It is indeed a CGI replacement - the original matte was lost, but when you see the shot in motion the compositing seemed a bit rushed: No grain, no real shadow detail or texture. Thankfully, as far as CG replacements go, it was an isolated incident in Season 2
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Old November 26 2012, 10:42 PM   #850
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They used the same planet in both episodes, just like they where in SD. But Angel One did come first
Nope, check the article, there are differences between the two planets. Just compare the two HD screenshots seen in the article.
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Old November 26 2012, 10:54 PM   #851
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They used the same planet in both episodes, just like they where in SD. But Angel One did come first
Nope, check the article, there are differences between the two planets. Just compare the two HD screenshots seen in the article.
Ahhh Gotcha! sharper eye than me Updated the original post too.
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Old November 26 2012, 10:57 PM   #852
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I cannot believe this is a screengrab from the actual finished product? Tell me you messed with this shot in photoshop or something like that? How dare these hacks butcher this show like this? These people had a million dollar budget and this is the result??? Is this some kind of sick joke? CBS was conned out of their money if this screenshot is for real. God how could this happen after the masterful work we saw in season 1??? They actually managed to downgrade the show from what we had on the DVDs. HTV Illuminate = Epic Fail!

I'm not sure I will be able to watch Season 2 remastered in blu ray if this is the kind of things we get to see. It will be too jarring. The DVDs might be blurry but at least they are consistant and don't rip you out of the experience by lighting up the Enterprise like a Christmas tree ornament.
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Old November 26 2012, 11:14 PM   #853
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It is indeed a CGI replacement - the original matte was lost, but when you see the shot in motion the compositing seemed a bit rushed: No grain, no real shadow detail or texture. Thankfully, as far as CG replacements go, it was an isolated incident in Season 2
So this is the only one you spotted? That's good.

Now we need you to go through each episode and check the 7.1 audio to make sure each channel is discrete. Feel up to it?
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Old November 26 2012, 11:27 PM   #854
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Yeah I don't have a problem with the ship being more brightly lit in these shots (I really loved that look in TSFS, as seen here: http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...tsfshd0054.jpg) but I AM a bit perplexed at the lack of detail and sharpness in some of them.

Going back to the original source material, you'd think they'd all be as clear and sharp as can be.
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Old November 26 2012, 11:34 PM   #855
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