Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread - Page 56

Tosk · November 26 2012, 07:49 AM

trekker670 wrote:

There has been some heated online discussion over the restoration of season two’s effects, though. It has been outsourced to an external company this time around, and screengrabs have shown a discernible (if not exactly catastrophic) difference from CBS Digital’s work on season one – in particular, some of the planets look noticeably less sharp. It’s not exactly worth organising a march about, though, and what we have here is still a massive improvement on the DVDs.

If CBS-D isn't aware of the quality issues, at least the reviewers are aware of the problems this time around

Or to be more precise, one reviewer mentioned it because he had already heard about the issue online.

bullethead · November 26 2012, 05:08 PM

TrekCore's review is pretty good, highlighting some of the deficiencies in the VFX remastering and pointing out where it's really good.

Mutai Sho-Rin · November 26 2012, 06:03 PM

bullethead wrote:

TrekCore's review is pretty good, highlighting some of the deficiencies in the VFX remastering and pointing out where it's really good.

FYI, the link in your sig is dead. I really wanted to read that too.

bullethead · November 26 2012, 06:41 PM

Mutai Sho-Rin wrote:

bullethead wrote:

TrekCore's review is pretty good, highlighting some of the deficiencies in the VFX remastering and pointing out where it's really good.

FYI, the link in your sig is dead. I really wanted to read that too.

Fixed it (at least until Slate changes their URL scheme... again).

Mott the barber · November 26 2012, 07:05 PM

Maxwell Everett wrote:

NewHorizon wrote:

I tweeted to him about the ruckus on Trekcore and that there were some very unhappy fans. Coincidentally, the comments were shut down around the same time he tweeted his response. Personally, I wish he had said nothing at all as he is basically spinning it and saying we're day dreaming. Yup, if I wasn't buying S2 before I'm definitely not buying it now. If that is what he calls excellent, then I have no hope for the rest of the HTV produced seasons. What a complete cuss up.

New Horizon, if you can't tell these are two completely different shots, with noticeably different camera alignment to the model and lighting... and shot on two completely different film formats (8-perf VistaVision vs. 4-perf Standard 35mm) by two completely different VFX teams... then I seriously question your ability to objectively weigh-in on ANYTHING that comes out of this restoration effort.

You are seriously out of your depth.

Haven't been on the board in a few days but you beat me to it Max. The opening shot from EAF (first shot) is a totally different shot where the ship comes from the top of the screen and swoops in over the saucer. The second shot is just a slightly-over-the-saucer establishing shot that zooms over the top of the saucer towards the camera. It was certainly not a cut from the later portion of the EAF shot. In other words...two different shots from two different effects houses, originally.

MickJo1701 · November 26 2012, 07:11 PM

Excellent review! The live action footage looks infinitely superior to what we had originally and I cant wait to watch those bonus features. I like how the section on the VFX was approached too, emphasising on the positives from the first season and the differences between the 2.

I'm completely convinced that the shot of the Enterprise launching a probe from Where Silence has Lease is a CGI replacement so it can be forgiven for not matching the model shots.

But this to me sums it up perfectly, there is no reason why these 2 shots should be in any way dissimilar.

Dac · November 26 2012, 07:15 PM

Well I'm glad TrekCore's review points out the obvious flaws inherent in some of the shots. Makes me feel a bit less crazy for agreeing with those who pointed it out initially.

Also, the probe shot from Where Silence has Lease is unmistakably CG. If it took everyone here a good while to figure out the saucer seperation shot in EaF is CG, so how come that one looks so much more blatant?

bullethead · November 26 2012, 07:18 PM

Dac wrote:

Well I'm glad TrekCore's review points out the obvious flaws inherent in some of the shots. Makes me feel a bit less crazy for agreeing with those who pointed it out initially.

Also, the probe shot from Where Silence has Lease is unmistakably CG. If it took everyone here a good while to figure out the saucer seperation shot in EaF is CG, so how come that one looks so much more blatant?

Because of the lack of grain and the finesse CBS-Digital put into their CGI shots.

NewHorizon · November 26 2012, 07:48 PM

MickJo1701 wrote:

But this to me sums it up perfectly, there is no reason why these 2 shots should be in any way dissimilar.

Wow, that is unreal.

The Season 1 shot is amazing looking and somehow they butchered it in Season 2. What were they thinking?

Timo47 · November 26 2012, 08:00 PM

Dac wrote:

Because in the original they are essentially the same colour.

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...1/child003.jpg

Plus, the Excelsior is mostly similar colour wise to the D. At the very least, its certainly a shade of blue as opposed to yellowy green.

It's not just a matter of colour, but also of missing shadows. It makes the Repulse look like it was pasted into the scene rather then being a part of it.

TheSeeker · November 26 2012, 08:37 PM

Yes, a lot of the shots have that problem from what I can tell.

StewMc · November 26 2012, 09:22 PM

MickJo1701 wrote:

But this to me sums it up perfectly, there is no reason why these 2 shots should be in any way dissimilar.

Is it just me or has the planet been reused? Why not just reuse the whole shot? (never though I would be complaining about not reusing stock footage)

RAMA · November 26 2012, 09:37 PM

The 2nd season work does seem to be below the level of CBS Digital's but the Bluray is worth it for the extras alone. Can't wait to see Contagion, Q Who, Measure of a Man, Peak Performance and a handful of others in HD. They went and made my least favorite season interesting again.

RAMA

MickJo1701 · November 26 2012, 09:55 PM

StewMc wrote:

MickJo1701 wrote:

But this to me sums it up perfectly, there is no reason why these 2 shots should be in any way dissimilar.

Is it just me or has the planet been reused? Why not just reuse the whole shot? (never though I would be complaining about not reusing stock footage)

The planet was originally Minos from The Arsenal of Freedom but its slightly blurrier than it appeared in that episode. Why they messed with the way the Enterprise was composited and replaced the original ILM starfield is anyone's guess.

gaghyogi49 · November 26 2012, 09:57 PM

Actually, it's Angel One:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/ob...loffreedom.htm

November 26 2012, 05:08 PM	#827
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November 26 2012, 07:11 PM	#831
MickJo1701 Lieutenant Commander	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread Excellent review! The live action footage looks infinitely superior to what we had originally and I cant wait to watch those bonus features. I like how the section on the VFX was approached too, emphasising on the positives from the first season and the differences between the 2. I'm completely convinced that the shot of the Enterprise launching a probe from Where Silence has Lease is a CGI replacement so it can be forgiven for not matching the model shots. But this to me sums it up perfectly, there is no reason why these 2 shots should be in any way dissimilar. Last edited by MickJo1701; November 26 2012 at 10:52 PM.

November 26 2012, 07:15 PM	#832
Dac Commodore Location: The Essex wastes...	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread Well I'm glad TrekCore's review points out the obvious flaws inherent in some of the shots. Makes me feel a bit less crazy for agreeing with those who pointed it out initially. Also, the probe shot from Where Silence has Lease is unmistakably CG. If it took everyone here a good while to figure out the saucer seperation shot in EaF is CG, so how come that one looks so much more blatant?

November 26 2012, 08:37 PM	#836
TheSeeker Vice Admiral Location: New York, NY	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread Yes, a lot of the shots have that problem from what I can tell.

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RAMA Vice Admiral Location: NJ, USA	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread The 2nd season work does seem to be below the level of CBS Digital's but the Bluray is worth it for the extras alone. Can't wait to see Contagion, Q Who, Measure of a Man, Peak Performance and a handful of others in HD. They went and made my least favorite season interesting again. RAMA __________________ “Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply.”—Stephen R. Covey

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November 26 2012, 09:57 PM	#840
gaghyogi49 Lieutenant Commander Location: Germany	Re: Season TWO OFFICIAL TNG Blu-Ray Discussion Thread Actually, it's Angel One: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/ob...loffreedom.htm