Canon characters killed in lit-verse. (spoilers)

[Drago-Kazov]

How do we define canon characters? Extras who barely showed up and had names only in the script count?

[Elias Vaughn]

I'm pretty sure the Federation President from Homefront/Paradise Lost was killed.

[King Daniel into Darkness]

Drago-Kazov wrote:

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How do we define canon characters? Extras who barely showed up and had names only in the script count?

Any character who originated in TV/film Trek.

Although, when I think of Selar or a few others, it's their role in the novels that comes to mind, not the TV episodes.

[Sci]

Elias Vaughn wrote:

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I'm pretty sure the Federation President from Homefront/Paradise Lost was killed.

He died of old age in Articles of the Federation, actually.

[Edit_XYZ]

Sci wrote:

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He died of old age in Articles of the Federation, actually.

In a book written by Krad - now in exile from writing star trek lit.

If bringing the character back is in the least advantageous for some future plot, he will be brought back - and 'Articles of the federation' will go the 'didn't happen in universe' route of 'Indistinguishable from magic'.

[Sci]

Edit_XYZ wrote:

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In a book written by Krad - now in exile from writing star trek lit.

If bringing the character back is in the least advantageous for some future plot, he will be brought back - and 'Articles of the federation' will go the 'didn't happen in universe' route of 'Indistinguishable from magic'.

Erm, sure? I mean, it's a given that that could happen to any novel. But I don't see what this weirdly hostile tone towards KRAD has to do with -- well, with anything, really.

[Elias Vaughn]

Sci wrote:

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He died of old age in Articles of the Federation, actually.

Wait, he did?

Which one was assassinated by Section 31 after... Tezwa?

Something like that anyway.

[Sci]

Elias Vaughn wrote:

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Wait, he did?

Which one was assassinated by Section 31 after... Tezwa?

Something like that anyway.

You are thinking of Min Zife of Bolarus, an original character created by David Mack who first appeared in A Time to Kill, wherein the Tezwa debacle began. President Zife, along with his chief of staff (Koll Azernal of Zakdorn) and Secretary of Military Intelligence, was assassinated by Section 31 shortly after Starfleet secretly forced him to resign at gunpoint at the conclusion of A Time to Heal. He appears in a number of other novels set during his administration. Min Zife defeated Jaresh-Inyo, the President from DSN's "Homefront"/"Paradise lost" who was running for re-election, in the 2372 Federation presidential election.

I would urge you to edit your post to include a spoiler box.

[BillJ]

Sci wrote:

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I would urge you to edit your post to include a spoiler box.

Those books are eight years old at this point. If someone hasn't read them by now, they probably aren't planning to.

[MatthiasRussell]

BillJ wrote:

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Those books are eight years old at this point. If someone hasn't read them by now, they probably aren't planning to.

Seconded.

[Dimesdan]

MatthiasRussell wrote:

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Seconded.

I also agree.

[King Daniel into Darkness]

Well, I haven't read them yet. I have them on my shelf and I'll get around to them eventually. So I appreciate the spoiler tags!

[Edit_XYZ]

Sci wrote:

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Erm, sure? I mean, it's a given that that could happen to any novel. But I don't see what this weirdly hostile tone towards KRAD has to do with -- well, with anything, really.

So, you haven't heard (or if you have, you refuse to accept the evident):
With the current editors, D. McIntee and Krad are out/blacklisted. The current editors, apparently, just don't work well with them.
For confirmation, see http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=194770


The consequences of this:
- we won't get any more star trek books from either author;
- their books are very susceptible of becoming 'not part of trek lit continuity' - "Indistinguishable from magic' is already no longer part of the continuity, as confirmed by D. Mack.
Krad's books (any element from them that was not further developed by other authors, at the very least) are in the same boat.

[JD]

It's not as big of a conspiracy as that. Apparently the editors decided they didn't like some of the stuff in IfM, and they've decided to ignore the book. Yeah, it's crappy, but as far as I know it was a one time thing. No one has said anything about any other books getting this treatment.

[Edit_XYZ]

Hope does spring eternal.

There was nothing in IFM that affected even marginally an important plot point from D. Mack's recent book, JD. It's 'ignore status' has little to do with its content - and all to do with the author preferences of the editors. You see, the editors decided they don't like (aka work well with) the AUTHOR, not the book (both Krad and D. McIntee made this clear on this very forum).

As for Krad. Let's take an example; the snuffing out of the Imperial romulan state - in all of 2-3 scenes - is quite eloquent (Christopher even admitted that, had the editors not changed, the IRS would very likely still exist).