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Old November 25 2012, 09:39 PM   #811
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And in any case, I don't think it's worth throwing a tantrum over. I for one am still incredibly grateful this remastering project is even happening.
Agreed, I seriously hope that the response isn't seen as us 'throwing our toys out the pram' because for the most part that's really not the case. But the general consensus from the fan base is stick with what was done for the first season.

I for one am really looking forward to the Season 3 trailer if CBS D approached the material in the same way they did on Season 1, the FX really went up a notch in the 3rd year.
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Old November 25 2012, 09:45 PM   #812
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I might not have expected it before, but CBS-D really did spoil us with their excellent work.
Yup, there was a ton of love poured into Season 1.
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Old November 25 2012, 10:39 PM   #813
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Really hope the price comes down. Going to have a hard time paying twenty dollars more for what is going to be a subpar product with less content.
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Old November 26 2012, 01:13 AM   #814
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What a bunch of whiney babies. You haven't even seen what the season looks like yet, and you are bitching up a storm over a planet shot. It still looks better than it did back in the 80s. Why don't you wait until the set is out before crapping in your diapers.


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Old November 26 2012, 01:28 AM   #815
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What a bunch of whiney babies. You haven't even seen what the season looks like yet, and you are bitching up a storm over a planet shot. It still looks better than it did back in the 80s. Why don't you wait until the set is out before crapping in your diapers.


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All you have to so is look at all the different screenshots to tell the quality of the VFX isn't going to be anywhere near the quality we saw in season one.

Don't know too many people who get off on spending money on a subpar product. But whatever floats your boat.
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Old November 26 2012, 01:41 AM   #816
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What a bunch of whiney babies. You haven't even seen what the season looks like yet, and you are bitching up a storm over a planet shot. It still looks better than it did back in the 80s. Why don't you wait until the set is out before crapping in your diapers.


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I've probably seen as many or more screen shots of Season 2 as I did Season 1 prior to release.

I decided to buy Season 1 based on the footage and screenshots. I liked the quality and style of CBS-D's work.

There have been promotional shots and videos, just like in Season 1. I intend to make my decision the same way...and that decision is not to buy the Season 2 set.

There has been more than enough material to decide on whether or not to purchase.

"Still looks better than it did in the 80's"...it should look as good as Season 1 did, and no less.



Not cracking open my wallet for it.

Thankfully, it sounds like CBS-D has rocked Season 3. Looking forward to that.
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Old November 26 2012, 01:52 AM   #817
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Reviews starting to show up:

http://www.sfx.co.uk/2012/11/26/star...on-two-review/
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Old November 26 2012, 01:52 AM   #818
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From the screenshots I've seen, I understand your disappointment, but I see no reason for you to keep flashing that low-res .gif like it is clarifying the issue.
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Old November 26 2012, 01:54 AM   #819
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What a bunch of whiney babies.
You have a point there. I think the whole Evil Curry vs the holy Legato debate is childish.

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You haven't even seen what the season looks like yet, and you are bitching up a storm over a planet shot.
Wrong. What we are seeing from TrekCore/FrontierTrek are final shots, considering he most likely has in possession a copy of the blu rays plus the fact that they are released in less than 2 weeks now means the discs themselves must have been in production for some time at this point. And its not just the one planet shot. It's the most glaring example of what folks are discussing, but its far from the only one.


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It still looks better than it did back in the 80s. Why don't you wait until the set is out before crapping in your diapers.
Yes, it looks better than it did in the 80s. No one here is debating that. The fact is the effects work on the season 2 Blu Rays (compared to season 1) are:

Quantifiably less detailed - look at how blurry the elements are all over the house.

Poorly composited - As has been pointed out, the lighting on the repulse from "The Child" screencaps is extremely warm vs the Enterprise's cool. They share the same light source, and in the original version they both have a cool tint to them. Why the change now?

And have had less general clean up work done to them than the season 1 Blu Rays had. - The starboard view of the Enterprise flying by stock shot from season 2 as seen in this thread has a noticeable matte line around the bussard collector which is absent from the same shot from season 1.

Sure, season 1 was not perfect, but if you do any comparison between a stock shot from the season 1 blu ray and the season 2 as many have, you will see the season 2 looks far less detailed than the identical season 1 shot is.

As for the argument that "Its how the original artists wanted it to look" - bullshit. Originally it was mastered on VHS, they only had so many pixels to play with. Now its on Blu Ray, you've got 1080 lines to fill. It looked that way originally because that was the only way it could look, now we have a shining example in season 1 of how it can look today. Adhering to the fuzz of the original tapes vs the original intent of the work seems to be the issue here. CBS-D honoured the intent, HTV-i seem to have gone for a carbon copy, just bigger.

I'm not going to call the work performed on season 2 crap, or shit, or insult any of HTV illuminate's mothers, but there is a substantial gap in quality in this season 2 release compared to the season 1 set which is either due to incompetence (unlikely) or a deliberate attempt too make the elements soft and fuzzy. It seems the latter is the case here, which to me is baffling due to the fact the whole medium of blu ray, the whole point of this restoration was to produce the footage in the highest quality possible.

It's incredibly disappointing for me, as I was a huge fan of the work done on Season 1. No doubt I'll still buy it however, because this will be the definitive version of season 2. It will not corrected no matter how many of us "throw a tantrum" over the issue. Plus I would like to see the special features included. It's just a shame that it doesn't quite hold up to the bar set by CBS-D on season 1.

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Old November 26 2012, 02:07 AM   #820
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After getting some INTENSE negative fan reactions, CBS might order the effects company to try to match the first season effects quality?

This reminds me of the audio screw up on the first season all over again. It had to happen so they could be more careful on quality control.
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Old November 26 2012, 02:17 AM   #821
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After getting some INTENSE negative fan reactions, CBS might order the effects company to try to match the first season effects quality?

This reminds me of the audio screw up on the first season all over again. It had to happen so they could be more careful on quality control.

EDIT: Unless you mean about HTV's work on upcoming seasons of course, I assumed you were talking about Season 2. If so, my bad.

Nope. Audio mixing and a single phaser shot, while not a small amount of work was certainly doable in a short time frame. This would involve a major rework of (presumably) most of the episodes in the season. That's me talking out of my ass there, but I doubt the shots they haven't shown are stonking needles-in-the-eyes sharp amazeballs quality.

Going back to what I said in my other post, the coloring on the Repulse is just weird. I did this in a minute in photoshop, shouldn't have taken them any longer to change it at the editing stage.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/160267

The Repulse is mostly green tinted in the original. And it's being lit by the same cool white/blue light source the Enterprise is. Whut?
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Old November 26 2012, 02:22 AM   #822
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After getting some INTENSE negative fan reactions, CBS might order the effects company to try to match the first season effects quality?

This reminds me of the audio screw up on the first season all over again. It had to happen so they could be more careful on quality control.
Nope. Audio mixing and a single phaser shot, while not a small amount of work was certainly doable in a short time frame. This would involve a major rework of (presumably) most of the episodes in the season. That's me talking out of my ass there, but I doubt the shots they haven't shown are stonking needles-in-the-eyes sharp amazeballs quality.
I know it is already too late for season 2 to change the visual effects. I was talking more about seasons 4 and 6. CBS might order the visual effects company to be more consistent with the company that did the first season.

I've always thought that studios needed to screw up before they can do better with a product. It happened with season one audio mistake, which should have never happened in the first place. I bet they are much more careful about checking that stuff after the huge fan outcry.
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Old November 26 2012, 02:44 AM   #823
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Going back to what I said in my other post, the coloring on the Repulse is just weird. I did this in a minute in photoshop, shouldn't have taken them any longer to change it at the editing stage.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/160267

The Repulse is mostly green tinted in the original. And it's being lit by the same cool white/blue light source the Enterprise is. Whut?
Looks to me like it's just a slightly different shade of gray (perhaps because Curry thought it would give the shot a bit more variety, or because the Repulse is an older style ship).

I don't see it written anywhere that Starfleet ships all have to be the exact same color. In fact the Refit had a different tint to it in every freakin movie (sometimes greener, sometimes bluer, sometimes flat-out gray)! I don't understand why this is suddenly an issue now.
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Old November 26 2012, 03:23 AM   #824
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Because in the original they are essentially the same colour.

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...1/child003.jpg

Plus, the Excelsior is mostly similar colour wise to the D. At the very least, its certainly a shade of blue as opposed to yellowy green.
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Old November 26 2012, 04:46 AM   #825
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There has been some heated online discussion over the restoration of season two’s effects, though. It has been outsourced to an external company this time around, and screengrabs have shown a discernible (if not exactly catastrophic) difference from CBS Digital’s work on season one – in particular, some of the planets look noticeably less sharp. It’s not exactly worth organising a march about, though, and what we have here is still a massive improvement on the DVDs.
If CBS-D isn't aware of the quality issues, at least the reviewers are aware of the problems this time around


“Making It So: Continuing Star Trek: The Next Generation” is the big season two Making Of doc; rather arbitrarily split into two sections, it runs for a total of 81 minutes. The list of interviewees is extremely impressive...
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