"Polaris" - Page 63

USS Kongo · November 21 2012, 10:51 PM

It does look very good. Can't wait to see it.

Sean

Maurice · November 22 2012, 01:38 AM

Dennis drew upon quite a few people from the fanfilm community to make this, but there are people from outside that who bring additional disciplines and experience to the table that I think will give it a different character from fan films beyond just what the story and setting is.

Linnear · November 22 2012, 04:21 AM

Barbreader wrote:

Polaris is not a Fan Film. It's an independent production which includes some people who have worked on fan films.

So Barb, what do you think is the difference between a fan film and an independent production? Is it the subject matter?

Alec

Maurice · November 22 2012, 07:20 PM

Not speaking for Barb, obviously, but my read on it is that a fan film is a film made by fans of a particular show who make their own film based on it. Polaris is a riff of the kinds of space adventure typified by Forbidden Planet and Star Trek, but it is its own thing in the same genre. A lot of Star Trek fan film people are involved, I think, because they like this kind of show even if it's not Trek per se.

I can't speak for anyone else on the crew, but I'm not really a fan filmmaker, despite my posting here and giving occasional assistance to friends who do make them. My only serious involvement in fan films was helping out with Starship Exeter (rewriting a script 8 years ago and doing some post production more recently). I've turned down all other offers to be involved in fan productions because I'm not interested in playing with someone else's toys.

What I hope I bring to the table for Polaris is the perspective of someone who doesn't primarily work in this genre. I like scifi, but my own film stuff tends to be more contemporary. As such, I'm always encouraging us to make this film its own thing.

I think when the first trailer finally comes out the true identity of this show will be very apparent. The trailer itself is nothing like any fan film trailer I've ever seen (whether that's good or bad I'll leave up to viewers).

Barbreader · November 25 2012, 01:20 AM

What is the difference between an independent production and a fan film? The difference is, who owns it? Polaris is owned by the people who made it. Space adventures are a group of stories not all of which are owned by the same person. If the Polaris people want to sell me a DVD of their movie for $12, they can sell it, I can buy it, and Paramount, Warner Communications, Disney, CBS, and whoever else owns a space franchise has nothing to complain about. James Cawley and I can't make the same deal about World Enough And Time. Granted, there are parodies which can be 'fair use' exceptions and which may be sold, and are also fan films. But the key word is exception.

Polaris is playing in their own playground, not Paramounts'.

JarodRussell · November 25 2012, 01:00 PM

Barbreader wrote:

Polaris is playing in their own playground, not Paramounts'.

Just wait when a big company like Paramount releases a similar film, and the Polaris guys get *lawyered*.

Maurice · November 25 2012, 09:11 PM

That's naive. There's nothing in our show such a studio could claim Copyright or Trademark violation on. Similar in kind is not legally actionable, otherwise practically no movies would get released.

JarodRussell · November 25 2012, 10:10 PM

Maurice wrote:

That's naive. There's nothing in our show such a studio could claim Copyright or Trademark violation on. Similar in kind is not legally actionable, otherwise practically no movies would get released.

Nonono.

Just wait when a big company like Paramount releases a similar film, and the Polaris guys get *lawyered*.

This is paranoid.

There's nothing in our show such a studio could claim Copyright or Trademark violation on.

That is naive.

Maurice · November 25 2012, 10:30 PM

Ignore list +1.

Admiral Buzzkill · November 25 2012, 11:04 PM

JarodRussell wrote:

Barbreader wrote:

Polaris is playing in their own playground, not Paramounts'.

Just wait when a big company like Paramount releases a similar film, and the Polaris guys get *lawyered*.

You have not the slightest clue what you're talking about, child.

JarodRussell · November 25 2012, 11:35 PM

Maurice wrote:

Ignore list +1.

Fair enough.

Maurice · November 26 2012, 05:54 AM

My Name Is Legion wrote:

JarodRussell wrote:

Barbreader wrote:

Polaris is playing in their own playground, not Paramounts'.

Just wait when a big company like Paramount releases a similar film, and the Polaris guys get *lawyered*.

You have not the slightest clue what you're talking about, child.

Its not like I've done depositions for arbitration over I.P. related contracts or anything...oh wait, yes I have.

doubleohfive · November 27 2012, 12:21 AM

My Name Is Legion wrote:

JarodRussell wrote:

Barbreader wrote:

Polaris is playing in their own playground, not Paramounts'.

Just wait when a big company like Paramount releases a similar film, and the Polaris guys get *lawyered*.

You have not the slightest clue what you're talking about, child.

Which, honestly, is a perfect description for just about any of his posts.

I for one am quite excited to see Polaris when it's done, and will continue to cheerlead, rally and throw my support to Dennis, Maurice, Nick and their team until the day its released.

Admiral Buzzkill · January 14 2013, 05:13 PM

For those who have been following the project but don't check the Star Ship Polaris topic in Trek Art, here's a rundown on what's been going on.

The conversion of Vektor's hero model of our ship to Lightwave format has been completed, and Michael Struck at NEO f/x is finishing up the lighting and rigging for animation.

Vektor has done quite a bit of new concept art for the show which is being modeled by others. His concept for for engineering Main Control:

...and the current state of modeling for the virtual set:

Finally, Vektor's concept design for a United Worlds capital ship:

Polaris on Facebook

dayxday1000 · January 14 2013, 06:23 PM

Beautiful work. Fun to watch the progress!

November 21 2012, 10:51 PM	#931
USS Kongo Fleet Captain	Re: "Polaris" It does look very good. Can't wait to see it. Sean __________________ MY DVD Review Site Like Ghost Stories? Read My Book!

November 22 2012, 01:38 AM	#932
Maurice Rear Admiral Location: Maurice in San Francisco	Re: "Polaris" Dennis drew upon quite a few people from the fanfilm community to make this, but there are people from outside that who bring additional disciplines and experience to the table that I think will give it a different character from fan films beyond just what the story and setting is. __________________ * * * "Star Trek…at times sparkled with true ingenuity, and pure science fiction approaches, and at other times was more carnival like, and very much more the creature of television than the creature of a legitimate literary form." —Rod Serling, 1970"

November 22 2012, 07:20 PM	#934
Maurice Rear Admiral Location: Maurice in San Francisco	Re: "Polaris" Not speaking for Barb, obviously, but my read on it is that a fan film is a film made by fans of a particular show who make their own film based on it. Polaris is a riff of the kinds of space adventure typified by Forbidden Planet and Star Trek, but it is its own thing in the same genre. A lot of Star Trek fan film people are involved, I think, because they like this kind of show even if it's not Trek per se. I can't speak for anyone else on the crew, but I'm not really a fan filmmaker, despite my posting here and giving occasional assistance to friends who do make them. My only serious involvement in fan films was helping out with Starship Exeter (rewriting a script 8 years ago and doing some post production more recently). I've turned down all other offers to be involved in fan productions because I'm not interested in playing with someone else's toys. What I hope I bring to the table for Polaris is the perspective of someone who doesn't primarily work in this genre. I like scifi, but my own film stuff tends to be more contemporary. As such, I'm always encouraging us to make this film its own thing. I think when the first trailer finally comes out the true identity of this show will be very apparent. The trailer itself is nothing like any fan film trailer I've ever seen (whether that's good or bad I'll leave up to viewers). __________________ * * * "Star Trek…at times sparkled with true ingenuity, and pure science fiction approaches, and at other times was more carnival like, and very much more the creature of television than the creature of a legitimate literary form." —Rod Serling, 1970" Last edited by Maurice; November 22 2012 at 08:03 PM.

November 25 2012, 01:20 AM	#935
Barbreader Fleet Captain Location: New York, New York	Re: "Polaris" What is the difference between an independent production and a fan film? The difference is, who owns it? Polaris is owned by the people who made it. Space adventures are a group of stories not all of which are owned by the same person. If the Polaris people want to sell me a DVD of their movie for $12, they can sell it, I can buy it, and Paramount, Warner Communications, Disney, CBS, and whoever else owns a space franchise has nothing to complain about. James Cawley and I can't make the same deal about World Enough And Time. Granted, there are parodies which can be 'fair use' exceptions and which may be sold, and are also fan films. But the key word is exception. Polaris is playing in their own playground, not Paramounts'. __________________ Star Trek Reviewed links to hundreds of Star Trek Fan Films and Reviews

November 25 2012, 09:11 PM	#937
Maurice Rear Admiral Location: Maurice in San Francisco	Re: "Polaris" That's naive. There's nothing in our show such a studio could claim Copyright or Trademark violation on. Similar in kind is not legally actionable, otherwise practically no movies would get released. __________________ * * * "Star Trek…at times sparkled with true ingenuity, and pure science fiction approaches, and at other times was more carnival like, and very much more the creature of television than the creature of a legitimate literary form." —Rod Serling, 1970"

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November 25 2012, 10:30 PM	#939
Maurice Rear Admiral Location: Maurice in San Francisco	Re: "Polaris" Ignore list +1. __________________ * * * "Star Trek…at times sparkled with true ingenuity, and pure science fiction approaches, and at other times was more carnival like, and very much more the creature of television than the creature of a legitimate literary form." —Rod Serling, 1970"

January 14 2013, 05:13 PM	#944
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: "Polaris" For those who have been following the project but don't check the Star Ship Polaris topic in Trek Art, here's a rundown on what's been going on. The conversion of Vektor's hero model of our ship to Lightwave format has been completed, and Michael Struck at NEO f/x is finishing up the lighting and rigging for animation. Vektor has done quite a bit of new concept art for the show which is being modeled by others. His concept for for engineering Main Control: ...and the current state of modeling for the virtual set: Finally, Vektor's concept design for a United Worlds capital ship: Polaris on Facebook __________________ "I think [J.J. Abrams has] done a great thing for Star Trek. I’m very grateful to him. We all owe him a lot. When someone comes along like he has done and picks it up and elevates it, we should be grateful." - Leonard Nimoy

January 14 2013, 06:23 PM	#945
dayxday1000 Lieutenant Commander	Re: "Polaris" Beautiful work. Fun to watch the progress!