RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 139,573
Posts: 5,423,455
Members: 24,810
Currently online: 383
Newest member: toaster

TrekToday headlines

Star Trek: Alien Domain Game Announced
By: T'Bonz on Sep 15

Red Shirt Diaries Episode Three
By: T'Bonz on Sep 15

Made Out Of Mudd Photonovel
By: T'Bonz on Sep 15

Takei Has Growth Removed
By: T'Bonz on Sep 15

Retro Review: Tears of the Prophets
By: Michelle on Sep 12

New Wizkids Attack Wing Ships
By: T'Bonz on Sep 12

Coto Drama Sold To Fox
By: T'Bonz on Sep 12

Braga Inks Deal
By: T'Bonz on Sep 12

Remastered Original Series Re-release
By: T'Bonz on Sep 11

UK Trek Ships Calendar Debuts
By: T'Bonz on Sep 10


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Welcome to the Trek BBS! > General Trek Discussion

General Trek Discussion Trek TV and cinema subjects not related to any specific series or movie.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old November 24 2012, 05:43 AM   #16
JirinPanthosa
Commodore
 
Re: Why were the bolians never developed?

And one of the crewmembers murdered by the cardassians on Empak Nor, and one of the Maquis in Learning Curve, and the barber on the Enterprise. Lots of bolian extras have always been wandering around.

And you're right, the Bolians were never firmly established as one of the founding races but heavily implied. Like when Kai Winn said "Would you sacrifice Vulcan? Or Bolias? Or Earth?" Or other cases in DS9 when Bolias is referred to as being very close to Earth. Closer than Betazed, farther than Vulcan. If Bolias was not one of the founding planets of the Federation, it is very close to Earth and considered one of its core races.
JirinPanthosa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 24 2012, 01:21 PM   #17
Tosk
Rear Admiral
 
Tosk's Avatar
 
Location: On the run.
Re: Why were the bolians never developed?

JirinPanthosa wrote: View Post
Like when Kai Winn said "Would you sacrifice Vulcan? Or Bolias? Or Earth?"
Unless I'm remembering the wrong episode, she actually said Berengaria, not Bolarus.
Tosk is online now   Reply With Quote
Old November 24 2012, 02:11 PM   #18
T'Girl
Vice Admiral
 
T'Girl's Avatar
 
Re: Why were the bolians never developed?

Kai Winn said:

"Can you promise me that you will not let one Jem'Hadar soldier set foot on Bajor? Can you promise me that you will use your entire fleet to protect our planet, even if it means sacrificing other worlds, like Vulcan, or Andor, or Berengaria, or perhaps even Earth itself?"


T'Girl is online now   Reply With Quote
Old November 24 2012, 02:19 PM   #19
Tosk
Rear Admiral
 
Tosk's Avatar
 
Location: On the run.
Re: Why were the bolians never developed?

Tosk is online now   Reply With Quote
Old November 24 2012, 02:34 PM   #20
The Wormhole
Admiral
 
The Wormhole's Avatar
 
Re: Why were the bolians never developed?

Berengaria of course was established in TOS an an Earth colony. Enterprise further established it as the site of Starbase 1. There's also dragons living there.
__________________
"Internet message boards aren't as funny today as they were ten years ago. I've stopped reading new posts." -The Simpsons 20th anniversary special.
The Wormhole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 25 2012, 01:53 AM   #21
Therin of Andor
Admiral
 
Therin of Andor's Avatar
 
Location: New Therin Park, Andor (via Australia)
View Therin of Andor's Twitter Profile
Re: Why were the bolians never developed?

JirinPanthosa wrote: View Post
And you're right, the Bolians were never firmly established as one of the founding races but heavily implied.
In fact, there was a short, comedy scene cut from the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode script, "The Chase", in which it was revealed by Mot that Bolarus IX was not yet a member of the United Federation of Planets. The scene was dropped for time, therefore not canon - and later writers did not press ahead with that factoid. When DS9 featured a Bolian as Commandant of Starfleet Academy ("Paradise Lost") that pretty much confirmed that it was in, and probably had been for quite a while.

"The Genesis Wave" trilogy of hardcovers put Mr Mot's family as members of a colony world, perhaps acknowledging the original intention.

* A Bolian crewman (portrayed by Leonard Jones) was seen in Time's Arrow and a Bolian bar patron in Birthright Part I.

* Lysia Arlin, a Bolian shopkeeper who sells jumja sticks on The Promenade, may find Odo attractive. [Deep Space Nine: Shadowplay and Defiant]

* A Bolian (Jeff Austin) appeared in the Deep Space Nine episode, The Adversary.

* A traditional feature of Bolian cuisine is that much use is made of meat that has been allowed to partially decay. [Deep Space Nine: Crossfire]

* Bolian tonic water is a refreshing beverage. [Deep Space Nine: Paradise Lost]

* The human name "Frederick" translates as a Bolian obscenity. [Voyager: Dreadnought]

* When power to the USS Voyager's lavatories is compromised, Neelix warns to be wary of the Bolians. Obviously, he knows something about Bolians which we don't.

* A group of Bolians help Jadzia Dax celebrate her forthcoming wedding to Worf at a party in her quarters. Although one brawls with Morn, the Bolian and the Lurien end up as dancing partners. [Deep Space Nine: You Are Cordially Invited.]

* A Bolian is present at Quark's when Captain Sisko is awarded the Christopher Pike Medal of Valor. [Deep Space Nine: Tears of the Prophets]

* Morn deposits the proceeds of the Lissepian Mother's Day Heist in an account at the Bank of Bolarus. [Deep Space Nine: Who Mourns for Morn?]

* One of the guests at Ezri Dax's welcoming party is a Bolian Starfleet officer. [Deep Space Nine: Afterimage.]

* One of the Borg victims' memories experienced by Seven of Nine is a Bolian manicurist. [Voyager: Infinite Regress]

* Reference is made of the late Zim Brott's "wife and co-husband". [Deep Space Nine: Field of Fire].

My old Bolian page has not been updated since Geocities folded, but it has lots of other early Bolian appearances listed:
http://www.reocities.com/therinofandor/Bolians.html
__________________
Thiptho lapth! Ian (Entire post is personal opinion)
The Andor Files @ http://andorfiles.blogspot.com/
http://therinofandor.blogspot.com/
Therin of Andor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 25 2012, 06:23 AM   #22
Pavonis
Commodore
 
Re: Why were the bolians never developed?

If Worf were commandant of the Academy, would that mean all Klingons are Federation citizens?

I'm inclined to think the Bolians are Federation Members, but I'm not convinced. I'm not even certain Bolians come from Bolarus.
Pavonis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 25 2012, 06:31 AM   #23
sbk1234
Rear Admiral
 
sbk1234's Avatar
 
Location: Los Angeles
Re: Why were the bolians never developed?

While we're talking about Bolians, has any mention/explaination ever been given to the only Bolian seen to have hair from the episode Allegiance?
Was she unusual to grow hair, or do Bolians (or Bolian women) shave their heads?
Just wondering.
__________________
In all the history of the world, a riot has NEVER broken out at a Sci-Fi convention.

"It's a fucking TV show!" - Gary Lockwood
sbk1234 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 25 2012, 12:22 PM   #24
Sci
Admiral
 
Sci's Avatar
 
Location: "We hold these truths to be self-evident..."
Re: Why were the bolians never developed?

In the novels, the Federation President from 2373 to 2379 (serving basically between DS9 Season Five to Star Trek: Nemesis, leading the Federation through the Dominion War) is established to be a male Bolian named Min Zife.
__________________
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic Socialism, as I understand it." - George Orwell, 1946
Sci is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 25 2012, 02:12 PM   #25
Therin of Andor
Admiral
 
Therin of Andor's Avatar
 
Location: New Therin Park, Andor (via Australia)
View Therin of Andor's Twitter Profile
Re: Why were the bolians never developed?

Pavonis wrote: View Post
If Worf were commandant of the Academy, would that mean all Klingons are Federation citizens?
But he's not. It is very unlikely that a Bolian would be overseeing the induction of future members of Starfleet if his own people were not UFP members.

I'm not even certain Bolians come from Bolarus.
Sigh.

Sci wrote: View Post
In the novels, the Federation President... is established to be a male Bolian named Min Zife.
If they don't accept script notations and screenwriter's intent, they won't even contemplate tie-in novels.

sbk1234 wrote: View Post
While we're talking about Bolians, has any mention/explaination ever been given to the only Bolian seen to have hair from the episode Allegiance?
Was she unusual to grow hair, or do Bolians (or Bolian women) shave their heads?
Maybe it's just fashion? In any case, Mitena Haru is shown to be two aliens in disguise.

In "The Muse" (DS9), we have Jake Sisko pointing out a male Bolian wearing a toupe. Nobody else seems to notice.
__________________
Thiptho lapth! Ian (Entire post is personal opinion)
The Andor Files @ http://andorfiles.blogspot.com/
http://therinofandor.blogspot.com/
Therin of Andor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 25 2012, 02:23 PM   #26
The Wormhole
Admiral
 
The Wormhole's Avatar
 
Re: Why were the bolians never developed?

Maybe it's common for Bolians who have frequent interactions with other species to wear wigs. Clearly they don't all do it, but enough do so that no one raises an eyebrow when they see a Bolian with hair.
__________________
"Internet message boards aren't as funny today as they were ten years ago. I've stopped reading new posts." -The Simpsons 20th anniversary special.
The Wormhole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 25 2012, 03:00 PM   #27
Tosk
Rear Admiral
 
Tosk's Avatar
 
Location: On the run.
Re: Why were the bolians never developed?

I don't see why anyone would care either way. No aliens ever raised an eyebrow over a bald human either. "But I thought all humans had hair!"
Tosk is online now   Reply With Quote
Old November 25 2012, 05:35 PM   #28
sbk1234
Rear Admiral
 
sbk1234's Avatar
 
Location: Los Angeles
Re: Why were the bolians never developed?

Not that I have a problem with a variety of types within a species, but when we've clearly seen a LOT of Bolians, and only ONE has hair, it just struck me as odd.
__________________
In all the history of the world, a riot has NEVER broken out at a Sci-Fi convention.

"It's a fucking TV show!" - Gary Lockwood
sbk1234 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 25 2012, 09:12 PM   #29
Therin of Andor
Admiral
 
Therin of Andor's Avatar
 
Location: New Therin Park, Andor (via Australia)
View Therin of Andor's Twitter Profile
Re: Why were the bolians never developed?

sbk1234 wrote: View Post
Not that I have a problem with a variety of types within a species, but when we've clearly seen a LOT of Bolians, and only ONE has hair, it just struck me as odd.
It was expensive and time consuming fitting a wig over a bifurcated head appliance. So they went without it.
__________________
Thiptho lapth! Ian (Entire post is personal opinion)
The Andor Files @ http://andorfiles.blogspot.com/
http://therinofandor.blogspot.com/
Therin of Andor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 26 2012, 02:21 AM   #30
T'Girl
Vice Admiral
 
T'Girl's Avatar
 
Re: Why were the bolians never developed?

One possibility, Bolians are all born with hair, but typically go bald at a very early age with a few exceptions. I can't remember seeing any Bolian children.

T'Girl is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:53 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.