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Old November 23 2012, 09:14 AM   #16
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Re: Is it weird that The Royale is one of my favourite episodes?

The Royale is one of the episodes most similar to classic sic-fi like The Twilight Zone or The Outer Limits, so I really like it for that reason.
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Old November 23 2012, 10:38 PM   #17
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Re: Is it weird that The Royale is one of my favourite episodes?

Yeah, me too.
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Old November 23 2012, 10:50 PM   #18
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Re: Is it weird that The Royale is one of my favourite episodes?

Yes, but it's no big deal.
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Old November 24 2012, 02:44 AM   #19
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Re: Is it weird that The Royale is one of my favourite episodes?

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It's weird to like TNG at all.
among the general population? yeah. It's all relative
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Old November 24 2012, 02:57 PM   #20
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Re: Is it weird that The Royale is one of my favourite episodes?

One of the things that I like best in certain episodes, is when TPTB give us little trickles of information (as opposed to gluts of exposition) on the history of Earth and the Federation, and how things came together.

The date of the astronaut's fight, and details from the flag on his pressure suit are examples of this.

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Old November 24 2012, 09:22 PM   #21
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I think a lot of the hate is due to the episode's backstory and those who don't like cheesiness. I actually like it too. Season 2 has so many weaker or horrendous episodes (like The Outrageous Okona, The Dauphin). It does have a different feel and the elements are quite interesting (the casino on an icy uninhabited world, the astronaut from centuries ago). Twilight Zone-like does explain it (where's the one-armed bandit coming at Riker saying "Riker! Riker!" with a raspy, jangly voice? Though it seems more like "A Nice Place to Visit"). I found the idea of being trapped inside a recreation of a bad novel kind of a hilarious idea. It feels very different. It's far better than most holodeck episodes, I'll say that and seems to be on the better half of Season 2. It's no "Q Who?" but I'll take it over many other Season 2 episodes.

It seems whenever a dessicated or decayed corpse is found in bed, you know it's going to be a cheesy, campy episode. Was the case in "The Royale", so it was in "Favorite Son" too (Harry Kim being given the O'Brien treatment. A planet of babes, one even from Babylon 5, and they all want you Harry. Only catch- it's a one night stand because the sex kills. He's the Bad Luck Brian of Star Trek. Not as adventurous as Tom Paris yet he's the one who picks up the space STD ["The Disease"] or he makes contact with someone interesting and Tuvok bogarts her from him ("Alter Ego"). He gets back to Earth more than anyone else but the guilt constantly gets him ["Non Sequitur", "Timeless"]. He finally gets his own command, but it's a ship with a lot of issues and an episode that overlaps with 2 of the worst airdates in the 2000-01 season ["Nightingale"] or it's the smallest ship in the fleet [USS Rhode Island in "Endgame"]. He & Naomi Wildman are the only real/original crewmembers yet that doesn't give him any more clout ["Deadlock"]. Oh, and he gets tormented more than anyone else by a monochrome clown).
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Old November 24 2012, 10:04 PM   #22
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I love this episode. From the beginning with the mysterious revolving door, to the end with them breezing out as the out of town investors, it was a ton of fun.
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Old November 25 2012, 03:04 AM   #23
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Re: Is it weird that The Royale is one of my favourite episodes?

I don't mind "The Royale." There are worse season two episodes (ahem...), but "The Royale" was kind of weird enough to be at worst merely amusing, kind of like a Twilight Zone episode like aforementioned.

If you want embarrassing, I rewatched "Sub Rosa" the other day and found myself enjoying it more than I had expected, especially some of the performances. Yeah, I just said something nice about "Sub Rosa," I know...
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Old November 25 2012, 06:22 AM   #24
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I don't mind "The Royale." There are worse season two episodes (ahem...), but "The Royale" was kind of weird enough to be at worst merely amusing, kind of like a Twilight Zone episode like aforementioned.

If you want embarrassing, I rewatched "Sub Rosa" the other day and found myself enjoying it more than I had expected, especially some of the performances. Yeah, I just said something nice about "Sub Rosa," I know...
I should do that. Rewatch episodes that I know I hate & see if after enough time away I can find anything enjoyable about them
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Old November 25 2012, 01:17 PM   #25
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Re: Is it weird that The Royale is one of my favourite episodes?

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I don't mind "The Royale." There are worse season two episodes (ahem...), but "The Royale" was kind of weird enough to be at worst merely amusing, kind of like a Twilight Zone episode like aforementioned.

If you want embarrassing, I rewatched "Sub Rosa" the other day and found myself enjoying it more than I had expected, especially some of the performances. Yeah, I just said something nice about "Sub Rosa," I know...
I should do that. Rewatch episodes that I know I hate & see if after enough time away I can find anything enjoyable about them
Not an episode, but in all seriousness, I have attempted this exercise on several occasions with Nemesis. Although I don't hate it, I find it extremely difficult to connect with the film in any meaningful way.
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Old November 25 2012, 06:56 PM   #26
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Re: Is it weird that The Royale is one of my favourite episodes?

I can't say that I share your view, but whatever floats your boat! I sometimes feel like I'm the only one on this board that likes Jadzia Dax!
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Old November 27 2012, 09:22 PM   #27
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I don't mind "The Royale." There are worse season two episodes (ahem...), but "The Royale" was kind of weird enough to be at worst merely amusing, kind of like a Twilight Zone episode like aforementioned.

If you want embarrassing, I rewatched "Sub Rosa" the other day and found myself enjoying it more than I had expected, especially some of the performances. Yeah, I just said something nice about "Sub Rosa," I know...
I should do that. Rewatch episodes that I know I hate & see if after enough time away I can find anything enjoyable about them
Not an episode, but in all seriousness, I have attempted this exercise on several occasions with Nemesis. Although I don't hate it, I find it extremely difficult to connect with the film in any meaningful way.
I completely agree with you about Nemesis. I have tried. And I can see what they were trying to do, and I see the potential in the ideas, and really, I think the director was at fault, coupled with the fact that the final rewrites of the script completely neutered it. I've heard that the original script was much better.

I really want to feel emotion about Data's death, but I honestly felt like his character had no reason to die. They've botched Data so much over the course of the films that I just ceased to care about his character. As far as I'm concerned, TNG ends with "All Good Things..."
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Old November 28 2012, 08:49 PM   #28
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Re: Is it weird that The Royale is one of my favourite episodes?

I must have somehow skipped this episode when watching the DVDs. I'll have to re-watch it.
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Old November 29 2012, 08:51 PM   #29
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I've always enjoyed The Royale. I never understood the hate. I even like Up the Long Ladder.

The only season 2 episodes I can't stand are The Child, Okona, Pen Pals, and Shades of Gray.
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Old November 29 2012, 09:02 PM   #30
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Re: Is it weird that The Royale is one of my favourite episodes?

I didn't mind this episode as much as many appear to dislike it. When I first saw it, the first thing that came to mind was that I was watching sets from a stage play, and I would have liked to have seen that episode done live on stage.
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