Skyfall - Grading & Discussion

[JarodRussell]

stj wrote:

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Saw this in the worst theater in the local multiplex, dimmest picture and worst sound and completely level floor. I couldn't tell what happened on the train.

Too bad as it was a beautifully shot and edited sequence.

Saw it in 4K. Holy shit, that was good.

[CaptainCanada]

Ian Keldon wrote:

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Coren comes off as the typical "feminist man", bending over backwards to find and decry misogyny to establish that he's "not like that".

I don't particularly agree with his criticisms (though I think the Severine bit was kind of awkwardly shot), but these are hardly ones unique to him. Women feminists have raised them as well.

[Ian Keldon]

CaptainCanada wrote:

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I don't particularly agree with his criticisms (though I think the Severine bit was kind of awkwardly shot), but these are hardly ones unique to him. Women feminists have raised them as well.

And they're just as invalid when raised by women. Hyper-sensitivity has been an issue haunting feminism (and other organized "victim" movements) for decades now.

But the "converted" men in feminism seem to be particularly bad about engaging in it, for some reason.

[T'Baio]

I think the question is not about any argument within the context of the film as shown...it's about whether it needed to be written that way in the first place.

I think most of the complaints are pretty baseless, but I think exploiting the sex slavery trade, which is very much in the public consciousness right now, and then offing the victim of such a trade so carelessly, without any comment in the film of the tragedy of the situation, is kind of crass.

[Trekker4747]

After the movie my buddy and I got into a mild argument over whether or not the sex-slave gal actually died. I had seen that she did, that the guy shot her in the head rather than also "missing" the shot glass, causing her to pass out and drop the glass (as my friend thought.)

He was basically taking the "we never saw the body..." approach.

I was taking the, "She slept with James Bond, once she did that she was on borrowed time" approach.

[Harvey]

It seemed pretty clear that she was dead to me. The point of which was to underline Silva's ruthlessness and general disregard for human life.

[CaptainCanada]

As well as to surprise the audience, no doubt expecting her to be around longer.

[Trekker4747]

CaptainCanada wrote:

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As well as to surprise the audience, no doubt expecting her to be around longer.

Not me, once they hooked up I knew she was toast.

[lurok]

Love this on-set pic

[stj]

^^^Oh yeah, that's just after Craig farted. The clip's on YouTube, right?

[Ian Keldon]

T'Baio wrote:

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I think the question is not about any argument within the context of the film as shown...it's about whether it needed to be written that way in the first place.

I think most of the complaints are pretty baseless, but I think exploiting the sex slavery trade, which is very much in the public consciousness right now, and then offing the victim of such a trade so carelessly, without any comment in the film of the tragedy of the situation, is kind of crass.

What you call "crass" many would call "keeping it current".

"Tomorrow Never Dies" dealt with media manipulation and "yellow journalism", and "Die Another Day" dealt with "conflict diamonds".

[Trekker4747]

And "Die Another Day" was about utterly raping out any common sense, "logic" or semblance of "realism" the series had left

[T'Baio]

True, Trekker4747.

And what you're saying is true, too Ian Keldon. But those plot points in those films were the direct evil, the "bad guy" of each film.

In Skyfall, sex slavery was used merely as a plot point, and then the victim was discarded by the plot callously. No comment was made on the subject, and the victim was essentially forgotten. It was crass, not current. And sex slavery is a little different than media manipulation.

[Trekker4747]

Not to mention trying to make some-sort-of statement about sex slavery is muted when the character you're using to make said statement is in the movie as a sex object.

A slightly related LINK. Pay attention to #18.

[Mister Fandango]

What sort of statement were they supposed to be making in your heads, anyway? It was a simple fact of life incorporated into the movie. This wasn't "James Bond Takes on the Slave Trade," you know. Anymore than it was a movie about gun control, gambling addiction, or safe driving.