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Old November 22 2012, 10:41 PM   #16
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Re: Did Voyager get better or worse when Kes was replaced with 7 of 9?

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Star Trek Voyager ended and became Star Trek Seven Of Nine show.


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Old November 23 2012, 01:12 AM   #17
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Star Trek Voyager ended and became Star Trek Seven Of Nine show.


Best character in Star Trek.
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Not to mention if "Before & After" was any indication of what Kes' future would have been like had she stayed on Voyager, then what did she really leave Ocampa for? She had just as much opportunity on Ocampa to have a child and be a doctor as she did on Voyager. She never explored her abilities and didn't do anything but grow old.
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Old November 23 2012, 01:18 AM   #18
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Re: Did Voyager get better or worse when Kes was replaced with 7 of 9?

A lot of shows do this. Bring in a new character midway through the run, so half the episodes have to focus on that said character as if to compensate for their absence earlier.
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Old November 23 2012, 01:19 AM   #19
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A lot of shows do this. Bring in a new character midway through the run, so half the episodes have to focus on that said character as if to compensate for their absence earlier.
DS9 even introduced a new character in the last season and focused multiple episodes on her!
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Old November 23 2012, 01:24 AM   #20
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A lot of shows do this. Bring in a new character midway through the run, so half the episodes have to focus on that said character as if to compensate for their absence earlier.
DS9 even introduced a new character in the last season and focused multiple episodes on her!
More than one.
Allot of stories began to focus on Vic. too.
Plus, much like Voyager there was one main character that got pushed into the background until they were almost non-existant-Jake Sisko.
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Old November 23 2012, 04:26 AM   #21
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Re: Did Voyager get better or worse when Kes was replaced with 7 of 9?

I really liked Kes, and missed her a great deal, but Voyager was still watchable for me after she left. I thought Seven Of Nine had her charms, as well.

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Old November 24 2012, 05:28 PM   #22
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Re: Did Voyager get better or worse when Kes was replaced with 7 of 9?

Seven is my favorite character ever but I don't know if I'd say it was she who made Voyager better. Voyager had started to get better at the end of season 3 when the writing suddenly improved drastically after the disaster that was "Favorite Son". The writers were pulling their sh*t together before they the Kes-Seven switch, Seven's coming on just happened to coincide with it. Nonetheless, I don't know if I'd have enjoyed Voyager as much without Seven. But I know for sure that I would have enjoyed Voyager even more if Kes had been kept on in addition to Seven joining. Voyager had a chance to really do something a bit new if they jettisoned a male cast member and kept Kes - have a much more female-centric show than the others for reasons beyond simply the captain being female. Voyager had chances to do a lot of things which it didn't unfortunately.
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Old November 24 2012, 10:40 PM   #23
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I don't get why people trash Favorite Son. I thought it was a good sci fi story.
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Old November 25 2012, 04:59 AM   #24
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I don't get why people trash Favorite Son. I thought it was a good sci fi story.
Actually, I've found many of the eps. folks trash here are loved on other sites and even on FB.
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Old November 25 2012, 10:00 AM   #25
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Star Trek Voyager ended and became Star Trek Seven Of Nine show.


Best character in Star Trek.
Resistance is Futile.

Not to mention if "Before & After" was any indication of what Kes' future would have been like had she stayed on Voyager, then what did she really leave Ocampa for? She had just as much opportunity on Ocampa to have a child and be a doctor as she did on Voyager. She never explored her abilities and didn't do anything but grow old.
The point is that what we saw in "Before And After" may never have occurred even if Kes had stayed on the show. Kes's development may have taken an entirely different path. There were hints for a prolonged lifespan and a more important role on the ship.
And why should she stay on Ocampa when she wanted to learn and explore? In that case, the rest of the crew could have stayed on Earth or DS9. They could have done the same things there as they did on Voyager.
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Old November 25 2012, 10:02 AM   #26
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I don't get why people trash Favorite Son. I thought it was a good sci fi story.
I don't understand it either. It's a good episode. Not the best Voyager episode but still a good one. Not to mention that Kim gets some action too.
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Old November 25 2012, 10:04 AM   #27
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Well, Voyager (In my opinion) was never good in the first place. But, after Kes left and Seven of Nine took over, the show became focused on three characters: Janeway, The Doctor, and Seven. So, depending on whether it got better or worse really depends on how much you like Janeway, The Doctor, and Seven's writing and performance.
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I don't get why people trash Favorite Son. I thought it was a good sci fi story.
I don't understand it either. It's a good episode. Not the best Voyager episode but still a good one. Not to mention that Kim gets some action too.
You mean before they were going to suck him into a husk?
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That should be standard.

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Old November 25 2012, 10:32 AM   #30
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But it was a whole bevy of nubile cousins so it's kind of a fair exchange.
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