Much love to Kes

[teacake]

Bry_Sinclair wrote:

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Admittedly, had Seven been a hot guy walking around in little more than bodypaint, I may have watched it a little more closely.

See I love Seven, she is my favorite ever character. I seriously and wondrously love her. But I don't think of her as hot at all. I know she's technically hot but I've never looked at her that way.

[lurok]

Never seen this one before. Look like a bunch of Genius Bar geeks.

I'd like to have seen Kes take over more of the Doc's/Janeway's empathy tutoring of Seven. Plus we'd have another level of slash fiction. Re: bry's male Seven point, I think a male Ezri Dax in DS9 would have been really interesting

[teacake]

Would the male Ezri Dax have been really really cute with a button nose?

[Guy Gardener]

The male Jadzia was obviously Riker.

In a 24th century keyparty? Do they throw their ships prefix codes into a bowl?

Though, there's no overlap with the Rikers and Worf and his Missus.

[Bry_Sinclair]

Cthulurok wrote:

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Re: bry's male Seven point, a think a male Ezri Dax in DS9 would have been really interesting

Yes. Yes he would.

[delenn13]

Curious..this says' "To be continued"...

[Lynx]

delenn13 wrote:

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Curious..this says' "To be continued"...

I didn't like that video.

It was weird and too, too much of that "Fury" s**t in it.

[T'Girl]

teacake wrote:

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I know she's technically hot but I've never looked at her that way.

I agree, while I can see that she is supposed to be sexy because she is written that way, and she conforms to the profile. Because I view Seven as also being a basic non-sexual person, she really doesn't push my personal "want to have sex with this person" buttons.

And with due respect to Jeri, I like my girls with a little more round on them. But that's just me.

[teacake]

T'Girl wrote:

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I agree, while I can see that she is supposed to be "sexy" because she is written that way, and she "conforms to the profile." Because I view Seven as also being a basic non-sexual person, she really doesn't push my personal want to have sex with this person buttons.

That's the key I think (for me). That's why I like some characters that aren't traditionally viewed as hot, such as Quark, because they do come across as very sexual people and uhh.. I like that. A lot of it is YMMV stuff of course but I think 7 is clearly a "basic non-sexual person".

And with due respect to Jeri, I like my girls with a little more round on them. But that's just me.

Parts of her are round..

[exodus]

Lynx wrote:

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^^
It took about two years after the firing before Jennifer came up with a political correct statement about "contract not being re-newed". Before that, we only had the very vague and changing explanations from those in charge about why it was so necessary and beneficial to dump Kes.

And when did they take the upfront pictures for season 4?

What I've found out from certain reliable sources, it came as a surprise for Jennifer that she had been dumped and she was very depressed over it, something which is visible in the two first episodes of season 4 where her acting is not at the very best.

Who are these "reliable sources" because I know for a fact an actor under contract(unless they're disruptive on the set) can't be let go without going through their agent weeks or even months before. Actors sign contracts which are legal and binding. Actors have agents and don't deal with contract negotiations.

[Guy Gardener]

You mean like how they were going to let Wang go?

There was a window that allowed them to replace Wang with Ryan.

Hey?

Was Wang actually fired?

Or where they waiting till Scorpion II or "The gift" to let him go, because what with giving him 8472 AIDs, Wang can't have been under any delusions that they were within seconds of turning off his golden shower.

So either they told Garret to pretend that he hadn't been fired, after the suits upstairs changed Berman's mind, or Jennifer was removed in the same way, and at the same time as the killshot which they had already lined up Wang well past when it was polite.

Would Oswald have still taken the shot if at the last second that JLK and LBJ had had their social agendas switched, and it was the vice president sailing towards the grassy knoll on that fateful day in November 1963?

[teacake]

No, because no one remembers your name forever if you only assassinate a vice president.

And I don't think this dearly beloved topic would be so dearly beloved here if it was Wang who got the axe.

[exodus]

Guy Gardener wrote:

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You mean like how they were going to let Wang go?

There was a window that allowed them to replace Wang with Ryan.

Hey?

Was Wang actually fired?

Or where they waiting till Scorpion II or "The gift" to let him go, because what with giving him 8472 AIDs, Wang can't have been under any delusions that they were within seconds of turning off his golden shower.

So either they told Garret to pretend that he hadn't been fired, after the suits upstairs changed Berman's mind, or Jennifer was removed in the same way, and at the same time as the killshot which they had already lined up Wang well past when it was polite.

Would Oswald have still taken the shot if at the last second that JLK and LBJ had had their social agendas switched, and it was the vice president sailing towards the grassy knoll on that fateful day in November 1963?

An episode takes 14hrs to film and then goes into two to three week post production(sometimes longer) to add all the sound effects, editing and special EFX.(this is why much of the show is out of production order) By the time that ep. aires(Scorpion) the actors are returning from a 2 month hiatus. Plenty of time to renegotiate the 3 year contract that they all signed with their agent. So by the time production starts again, that actor knew if they were staying or going.
They did the same thing with Mulgrew at the end of Equinox pt1., so it's not like we don't know or its some type of conspiracy as folks keep trying to imply. What kind of conspiracy can there be to simply letting someone go? TPTB have given reasons for letting Jen go, if the fans can't accept it then how does that make the TPTB the ones creating conspiracy as if it was personal?

[Warp Coil]

I really liked Kes. I thought that she was a good, if somewhat underdeveloped, character who could have been put to better use if the writers had come up with a plan for her. The Kes/Doctor relationship is possibly my favorite from the entire series. I think that there was a ton of romantic potential for them down the road had Kes remained on the series. The very concept of a character with a seven-year life span comes with a lot of built-in story potential but the writers didn't really take advantage of it. By the final season, Kes would be an old woman and there would've been great opportunity to deal with her mortality (perhaps Kes dies just as Voyager returns to earth... something very bittersweet like that to add a little emotional punch). I also agree with others who think that Kes and Seven of Nine could've had an interesting relationship.

I do think that Seven was an interesting character, and I really don't have an issue with her joining the cast. However, I think that there would've been room for Jennifer Lien to remain on the series, as well. I personally think that Neelix had outlives his usefulness as a character by season 4 and could've been written out, but he was their token weird alien (he had the most makeup prosthetics) and they probably wanted to keep him around for that reason alone. I really think that the best option would have been to just bump someone to recurring - either Garrett Wang, Ethan Phillips or Jennifer Lien. Use them maybe about a dozen times a season. Their names are out of the opening credits and they aren't as expensive (since they aren't a series regular) but they still get to be a part of the series and contribute.

[exodus]

teacake wrote:

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And I don't think this dearly beloved topic would be so dearly beloved here if it was Wang who got the axe.

Exactly.

I doubt very much there'd be a "Poor Garrett Wang got let go and fell into depression" post anywhere here, as if he is any less a person that Jen Lien is.