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Old November 24 2012, 06:19 PM   #16
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Re: Is WB simply afraid of Wonder Woman?

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What would it be that they're afraid of? That she's a feminist icon? That she's heavily mixed up in Greek mythology? Hey, it worked for Hercules and Xena, so why NOT WW?
I doubt the Greco-Roman thing is an issue, given that Hollywood is perfectly comfortable green-lighting 300, Spartacus, Clash of the Titans, The Immortals, etc.
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Old November 24 2012, 06:23 PM   #17
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From Catwoman to Elektra to Columbiana, there've been as many if not more flops as modest successes, and none have been massive breakout hits a la Iron Man or Thor.
Those were a) utterly terrible, and b) pretty low on budget and talent behind the camera, compared to, say, the MCU movies.
When given the right mix of budget and talent, a Hunger Games-style success should be entirely possible for a female superhero like Wonder Woman. And no, The Hunger Games wasn't a "romance" movie, or at least not any more so than The Amazing Spider-Man.
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Old November 24 2012, 06:40 PM   #18
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If they don't trust Wonder Woman to make Avengers money they really should give it a lower budget, just look at Arrow, it's a CW show so it probably has a budget of 20 dollars and a box of bubblegum for special effects.
NBC tried that. Didn't work out so good.


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I doubt the Greco-Roman thing is an issue, given that Hollywood is perfectly comfortable green-lighting 300, Spartacus, Clash of the Titans, The Immortals, etc.
But none of those movies brought such characters into the present day. Marvel had the balls to try such a mashup with Thor; WB didn't with WW. A WW movie would be a challenge and risk with the best producers, which the WB isn't... though it's instructive to note that of the 12 Marvel Studios movies committed to so far, none have primarily starred a woman.


Also bear in mind this JLA movie has been in the works since '07 at least, when it was fully cast and almost put into production. But with one Nolan Bat-flick to go, the WB decided to produce Man of Steel and Green Lantern as a warm-up to a future JLA instead. So in addition to the female issue and the Greco-Roman issue, the JLA has been a factor in keeping WW offscreen. (The TV fiasco didn't exactly help, either.)
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Old November 24 2012, 06:51 PM   #19
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I doubt the Greco-Roman thing is an issue, given that Hollywood is perfectly comfortable green-lighting 300, Spartacus, Clash of the Titans, The Immortals, etc.
But none of those movies brought such characters into the present day.
True. But the Harry Potter movies were crammed with mythological creatures and fantasy elements set in the present-day. Didn't seem to scare audiences away.

Ditto for GRIMM and ONCE UPON A TIME.

That's not specifically Greco-Roman, sure, but I'm not sure why Snow White or dragons in modern times would be less of a stretch than an Amazon princess . . .
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Old November 24 2012, 06:52 PM   #20
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You never heard of Iron Man and Green Lantern? I've probably read five comics in my life and I heard of both.
Did you know Tintin and Asterix though?
Asterix no, but I read Tintin as a kid. Although American culture is generally more available in Europe than French culture is in America.

And I think the mention of "built in audience" has to do with a built in audience in the largest movie market, which still remains the United States (even if it is diminishing).
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Old November 24 2012, 07:21 PM   #21
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I think WB is afraid of WW simply because every comicbook based film (unless part of a team) with a female protagonist has been a bomb (Elektra, Catwoman). I think WW could work very well if they did it properly, but if they stereotype the film like they did with those god awfull superman films, then it will fail without a doubt.
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Old November 24 2012, 07:25 PM   #22
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But the Harry Potter movies were crammed with mythological creatures and fantasy elements set in the present-day. Didn't seem to scare audiences away.
We didn't see any magic battles performed in the Muggle world into well into the series, though, didn't we?

As for the femaleness, Rowling invented a middle initial so the book covers wouldn't reveal her lack of a magic wand.
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Old November 24 2012, 07:35 PM   #23
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Asterix no, but I read Tintin as a kid. Although American culture is generally more available in Europe than French culture is in America.
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Old November 24 2012, 07:40 PM   #24
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I know Tintin is Belgian, but I thought Asterix was French. Am I mistaken?
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Old November 24 2012, 07:42 PM   #25
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My problem with Wonder Woman is I don't like how the whole magic/gods things works into the DCU.
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Old November 24 2012, 07:59 PM   #26
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Let's just call Asterix/Tintin Francophonic and leave it at that, eh?

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Asterix no, but I read Tintin as a kid. Although American culture is generally more available in Europe than French culture is in America.
Not as much as you'd think, which is what I'm getting at. There's certainly a lot of American pop culture that is widely disseminated and held as the standard (and you'll find that the biggest grossing films or most watched TV shows or whatever are almost invariably American), but that is not true of all American pop culture.

And American superheroes in particular have been more known here through their film adaptions and other media than through comic books.

Asterix and Tintin were pretty much the pervasive standard of comic books for me as a kid and while I didn't care much for Tintin I read Asterix religiously... as did many people my age, it's an enormously significant pop cultural touchstone in ways that pretty much any American superhero comic was not.

And sure, that might sound like the irrelevant rambling of some European. But it's important in that Hollywood is not looking exclusively to sell suphero movies to people who either know or care who these characters are, and also that I actually knew who Wonder Woman was unlike these other guys. That WB/DC would greenlight (ha ha) a Green Lantern movie prior to her says a fair bit, I think.
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Old November 24 2012, 08:01 PM   #27
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I think everything said is true. Looking at DC's own approach to WW is the most revealing. She is more an icon than a character. They have much lesser known female characters which are better defined.

To create more interest in her they tied her as much as possible to Superman and Batman. Being a love interest for both has gotten more attention than anything in her own books.
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Old November 24 2012, 08:42 PM   #28
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My problem with Wonder Woman is I don't like how the whole magic/gods things works into the DCU.
It's not all that different than how it works into the Marvel Universe. Magic is real and the Gods exist.
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Old November 24 2012, 08:43 PM   #29
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You'd think think WB would be itching to make a WW woman movie with the recent popularity of B&D novels.
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Old November 24 2012, 09:48 PM   #30
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I know Tintin is Belgian, but I thought Asterix was French. Am I mistaken?
Not at all, Asterix is french, somehow I completely missed him in your post, all I saw was "Tintin" and "french". *oops*
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