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Old November 23 2012, 08:23 PM   #61
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Re: 3 Registries for the Yamato?

This is the angle at which Commander Riker saw the other ship.

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...silence110.jpg

The Commander would be unable to both see and read the registry, due to lighting conditions, and the angle of the ship to the Enterprise. I checked the gallery at Ex-Astris-Scientia, and, even in the best conditions, it would be impossible for someone to read the registry.
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Old November 23 2012, 08:56 PM   #62
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Re: 3 Registries for the Yamato?

Why? The dorsal pennant is found just below the lowermost lights there, and a comparable image from the opening credits shows what Riker would be seeing:

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...int_hd_011.jpg

It's just us the audience that would be suffering from the lack of light and resolution, supposedly. A character from the show could spot the telltale suffix letter - which would be what they would be expecting anyway, what with two out of the supposed six Galaxy class vessels having such a letter, and the idea of the heroes meeting themselves in the anomaly perhaps a less likely proposition than them meeting a sister ship.

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Old November 23 2012, 10:49 PM   #63
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Re: 3 Registries for the Yamato?

Here is another image from the same episode.
It shows that both ships are in an environment that lacks both matter or energy. This is opposed to the image you posted which shows the Enterprise reflecting the radiant energy of a star. We can read the registry on the Enterprise because of this radiant energy. Furthermore, there were no floodlights on the Galaxy-class starships. (The floodlights were used to illuminate the registry on other ships.)

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...silence114.jpg
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Old November 23 2012, 11:13 PM   #64
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Re: 3 Registries for the Yamato?

Riker has good eyesight?
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Old November 23 2012, 11:17 PM   #65
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Re: 3 Registries for the Yamato?

No one mentioned that Yamato bridge from "Lease" is different than the one seen in "Contagion".
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Old November 24 2012, 12:36 AM   #66
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Re: 3 Registries for the Yamato?

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No one mentioned that Yamato bridge from "Lease" is different than the one seen in "Contagion".
But the Yamato bridge from "Lease" wasn't real. And there were two of them.
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Old November 24 2012, 12:55 AM   #67
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Re: 3 Registries for the Yamato?

Worf was acquainted with the Yamato. This was one of the reasons he was selected for the landing party. He didn't see anything wrong with the bridge layout until there was two bridges.
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Old November 24 2012, 01:08 AM   #68
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Re: 3 Registries for the Yamato?

Plus, the only difference we can see is a black panel above Varley's chair, which could have been added at a later time.
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Old November 24 2012, 03:55 AM   #69
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No one mentioned that Yamato bridge from "Lease" is different than the one seen in "Contagion".
But the Yamato bridge from "Lease" wasn't real. And there were two of them.
Exactly my point. The whole thing is a bad fascimile by the alien. The ship wasn't made of tritanium as Riker remarked, and Worf made it sound like the bridge is different from Enterprise's and he knows the layout. When they get there, it's same exact bridge, so either Worf was lying, or the alien coudn't recreate the real one. Having rewatched this episode, I am now of the opinion that the registry was faked too:

The alien saw the registry on the Enterprise, but was not able to read their computers, so it tried to replicate something similar, an NCC prefix, followed by four numbers, followed by a dash and letter. Riker simply read it from the screen, and never bothered to double-check Starfleet ship registry in the computer.

The only mystery in this case would be how it managed to come up with the name Yamato? Perhaps it pretended to be a crew member and gleaned it from a screen somewhere or simply asked somebody.

PS. You might ask why he can't read the computers, well it's just an assumption based on the fact that the whole experiment would be useless if he could get into LCARS and find out about the meaning of death, or find out about males and females, or make the computers on the fake Yamato work (corect me if I'm wrong on this one) etc... I think the whole episode is based on him being far from omnipotent.
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Old November 24 2012, 04:25 AM   #70
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Since Riker read out and confirmed Yamato's registry as 1305-E and not being called wrong by anyone on the bridge, confirms the registry. It would seem that we're just having trouble accepting that other ships in the fleet can have an exciting life
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Old November 24 2012, 04:42 AM   #71
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The crew should have been more suspicious. Starfleet starships have an id signal for identification. ("Encounter at Farpoint") The pseudo-Yamato didn't transmit an id signal.
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Old November 24 2012, 05:32 AM   #72
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Plus, the only difference we can see is a black panel above Varley's chair, which could have been added at a later time.
I always thought the black panel was a chunk of the horseshoe station that had been removed or pulled open due to the malfunctions.
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Old November 24 2012, 02:49 PM   #73
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Since Riker read out and confirmed Yamato's registry as 1305-E and not being called wrong by anyone on the bridge, confirms the registry. It would seem that we're just having trouble accepting that other ships in the fleet can have an exciting life
I don't understand this argument. He didn't confirm anything. He just read it out from the hull. The fact that no one bothered to double check on their computers in a stressful situation is not a proof. In fact, they are not even checking their computers, they are just looking at the screen. Geordie is the only one working, and he's at the engineering station.
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Old November 24 2012, 03:30 PM   #74
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But Riker is supposedly himself when spotting the registry and apparently from that fact alone deriving the conclusion that the ship with this registry is USS Yamato. Unless Nagilum was inside everybody's skull already, making them do crazy things and think incorrect thoughts, it is a Starfleet fact that a ship numbered NCC-1305-E is named Yamato.

That is, the name (which Riker cannot see) seems to be derived from the registry (which Riker can see) in a process where Riker reads out the registry and then comes up with the name. There's no need for "outside" confirmation - Riker's word suffices. Unless he's possessed.

Worf seems jittery in the episode - but the teaser already establishes as much. He's probably undergoing puberty or something. The other heroes begin to act abnormally only when directly subjected to the Nagilum's whims, and the actions are short-lived and rather blatant. It doesn't appear, say, that the "Troi" and "Data" visiting Picard in his cabin would be the real crew members possessed; rather, they are illusions out of whole cloth. Having Riker be possessed just for the duration of creating a false connection between a registry and a name doesn't seem to fit the pattern.

As for Worf being an expert on the Yamato bridge, all he says is that he's acquainted with the ship. He isn't necessarily saying there's anything special about the sister ship - merely that he isn't completely lost and for that reason is entitled to make a tactical recommendation to Riker.

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Old November 24 2012, 05:03 PM   #75
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Since Riker read out and confirmed Yamato's registry as 1305-E and not being called wrong by anyone on the bridge, confirms the registry. It would seem that we're just having trouble accepting that other ships in the fleet can have an exciting life
I don't understand this argument. He didn't confirm anything. He just read it out from the hull. The fact that no one bothered to double check on their computers in a stressful situation is not a proof. In fact, they are not even checking their computers, they are just looking at the screen. Geordie is the only one working, and he's at the engineering station.
Are you so sure? I would argue that they would be extra vigilant since right before that they were fighting an imaginary Romulan Warbird.

What we see in the episode, is Riker walking forward toward the magnified image of the Yamato. As Timo points out, he would have available to him far more resolution than we would, even if we were looking at the HD version of the screen.

Then, we also have Data running a full scan on the Yamato after he hails it.

At no point does any crew member go, "Hey wait a minute, the Yamato's registry is wrong!" They suspect the ship is an illusion because of the Warbird, but they do not suspect the registry is wrong.

So, I'd argue that not only were the computers double-checked, they even performed a full scan of the Yamato.
WORF: Captain, there's another vessel approaching in sector zero nine one, mark two six.
PICARD: On screen. Magnify.
RIKER: It's a Federation ship. NCC one three zero five dash E. It's the Yamato, our sister ship.
WESLEY: The Yamato's nowhere near this quadrant.
PICARD: Open a hailing frequency, Data.
DATA: USS Enterprise to USS Yamato. Respond, please. USS Enterprise calling USS Yamato. Respond, please, on this frequency. No response, Captain.
PICARD: Make a full scan.
DATA: Life support system, engineering and propulsion all appear functional. But there are no life signs, sir.
PICARD: Data, can we be getting a false reading?
DATA: Since we know nothing of these circumstances, it is at least conceivable, sir.
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