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Old November 21 2012, 06:10 PM   #31
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Re: What do you want to see in TAS Remastered?

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Well, there you go! Your daughter was not turned off to a model constructed in 1967, and I think she's not alone.
I know she's not alone. But, unfortunately, I believe she's the exception not the rule.
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Old November 21 2012, 06:12 PM   #32
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Technically, Warner's produced theatrical cartoons into the 1960s
I'm aware of that, but I made mention of earlier decades to illustrate how the studio animation houses were bigger "outfits" than the TV era. By the 1960's Warners had been gutted and was a shadow of the kind of operation run during the war years.

and even at it's lowest ebb of the Looney Tunes era the animation was superior to anything done on TV, because they were still primarily doing full animation, not limited animation as is produced for TV
I think that is fairly subjective; take the Chuck Jones period--celebrated by some, but it could just as easily be read as "lazy" work once the mono-colored, abstract backgrounds (or UPA influenced--since he produced work for that group) backgrounds became the norm at Warners, instead of the rich, detailed backrounds regularly used in the early Merrie Melodies/Looney Tunes short subjects.

As to Jonny Quest and The Flintstones, they might be praised for design and/or art direction, but there's nothing technically sophisticated about either.
The point is that the work was and remains praised, despite the venue. Its what you do with your resources, and in the ace of TAS, its not as though ST fans (famously vocal) were calling Filmation, blasting their efforts. We know about the rotoscoping and re-use of certain character sequences, but the overall visual effort was not that of the common Saturday morning junk by any stretch of the imagination.

Most TV animation is and has been limited animation. A lot of it is just illustrated radio. So much of it are static shots of characters talking and talking and talking and—occasionally—blinking. It's move to position, stand there, talk talk talk, move into next position (or just cut away).
I agree--and I think it applies to Family Guy, Johnny Test, Futurama or Aqua Teen Hunger Force as much as any older production.
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Old November 21 2012, 06:34 PM   #33
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I'd prefer a new animated series.

And I love TAS.

Carry on.
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Old November 21 2012, 07:09 PM   #34
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Completely redo the animation and then use the new body of work as a animated pilot for more Star Trek, a new animated series.

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Old November 21 2012, 08:18 PM   #35
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I would love a Star Trek animated series with the same quality as the Clone Wars series.


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Old November 21 2012, 08:21 PM   #36
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Re: What do you want to see in TAS Remastered?

I'm of multiple minds. As a fan of retro animation, I love TAS as it is, quirks and all.

But as a realist, I know that (even compared to the modern flash animated shows), it still looks dated and that a CGI re-do using the original audio could possibly be a boon for syndication possibilities. Though the small number of episodes would also work against that.


What would I really want? In my wildest dreams? New episodes, animated exactly the same way, warts and all.
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Old November 21 2012, 08:33 PM   #37
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I'd love if they redid the animation reusing the voice work, sound tracks and music.
Agree. Also, it should be first aired for a season, like Cartoon Network Clone Wars, then released as a complete series to dvd.
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Old November 22 2012, 08:34 PM   #38
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Completely redo the animation and then use the new body of work as a animated pilot for more Star Trek, a new animated series.

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Old November 23 2012, 01:44 AM   #39
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Make new ones and leave the originals as they are.
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Old November 23 2012, 04:43 AM   #40
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I love a good animation discussion!

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I think that is fairly subjective; take the Chuck Jones period--celebrated by some, but it could just as easily be read as "lazy" work once the mono-colored, abstract backgrounds (or UPA influenced--since he produced work for that group) backgrounds became the norm at Warners, instead of the rich, detailed backrounds regularly used in the early Merrie Melodies/Looney Tunes short subjects.
You're thinking of the work of Maurice Noble in the 50s, which is most certainly not influenced by UPA, nor lazy in any sense of the word. It's overwhelmingly celebrated in the animation world (and some would say far too often imitated).

On the subject of replacing the original animation in the Star Trek Animated Series... I can't say I feel strongly one way or the other. Part of the charm of the series is it's junky limited look, which feels right at home with the storytelling style utilized. On the other hand, being open to new interpretations can sometimes bring surprisingly great results.
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Old November 23 2012, 03:54 PM   #41
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Re: What do you want to see in TAS Remastered?

I find I'm having the opposite reaction I had for TOS-R (which was, "leave my beloved Trek alone you mutilating bastards"). I don't have the same emotional attachment to TAS. I'd love to see the whole thing remade using realist CGI characters, or full-animated anime, with the original soundtracks.
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Old November 23 2012, 08:27 PM   #42
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Re: What do you want to see in TAS Remastered?

I would love to see a full-out CGI remake of TAS. Re-do everything from the ground up - but keep the voice tracks. They can do that. There's no reason any of the voices would need to be replaced, would there be?

TAS had some good stories, but its actual animation was decidedly subpar. And yes, I'm aware that there are reasons for some of its idiosyncracies (Hal Sutherland's colorblindness, which would explain why the Klingons wore pink uniforms and some of the crew's Starfleet uniforms would randomly change color), but there were other things that just looked stupid, such as the Enterprise flying sideways during the credits.

In any case, as has been pointed out, TAS was done on film so it can be released on Blu-Ray right now if they want. I wouldn't be opposed to doing that. And at the same time a new CGI version of the show can exist right along with it. Perhaps even put both versions on the same volume and allow the viewer to choose. Remaking TAS wouldn't destroy the original, any more than nuBSG would have done with the original BSG.
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Old November 23 2012, 08:54 PM   #43
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Old November 23 2012, 09:34 PM   #44
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I love a good animation discussion!
...and here of all places!

You're thinking of the work of Maurice Noble in the 50s, which is most certainly not influenced by UPA, nor lazy in any sense of the word. It's overwhelmingly celebrated in the animation world (and some would say far too often imitated).
It has also been described as pretentious--when directors/animators become too self aware of the then-"new direction" the work was taking. Also, it is important to note that certain social ideology of the period played a part in the celebration of that work, as opposed to earlier efforts of MGM (for one example) which did not need interpretation or commentary to be successful to a mass theatre audience hungry for more.

On the subject of replacing the original animation in the Star Trek Animated Series... I can't say I feel strongly one way or the other. Part of the charm of the series is it's junky limited look, which feels right at home with the storytelling style utilized. On the other hand, being open to new interpretations can sometimes bring surprisingly great results.
Then CBS should prove their own creative abilities by producing an all-new animated series. Be brave and take that chance, as "Remastering" or any form of tinkering with the original just smells of trying to gain from the creative labors/cultural effects generated by others.
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Old November 24 2012, 02:24 AM   #45
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There's no reason any of the voices would need to be replaced, would there be?
After all this time, would the original voice actors receive any additional money?
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