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Old November 22 2012, 02:48 AM   #31
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Rivals-I love this episode but many people seem to think its one of the worst DS9 episodes.
Really? I always liked that one. Silly, but entertaining to watch the pissing matches between Quark and that El Aurian and O'Brien and Bahsir.
Yeah it shows up all the time on worst episode lists and I really can't understand why, I mean other notoriously bad episodes like "Turnabout Intruder", "Genesis", "Move Along Home" and "A Night in Sickbay" I understand the hate even though I like them but "Rivals" I just don't get.
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Old November 22 2012, 03:06 AM   #32
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Easily "The Royale," which while just plain cheap, scifi cheese, is still fun to watch two decades later.
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Old November 22 2012, 03:08 AM   #33
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Is The Royale hated? I love that episode, I remember finding it pretty creepy as a kid


I'd probably say A Night In Sickbay, I found the way people went mental about it pretty laughable. I could hardly even remember it from the first run of the show, and I caught it again a couple of years ago on a rerun and was like "so what?"
I get why people don't like it; but I always have appreciated the portrait of Archer as a man who did love his dog. And seeing how and why he got Porthos made it [the episode] passable for me.
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Old November 22 2012, 03:55 AM   #34
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Can't say I'm a fan of Rivals but it doesn't stand out to me as a particularly bad episode. Not when season seven has about six "Everybody is obsessed with a 1960s crooner holodeck recreation" episodes and a baseball episode.

Neither does Genesis. It's one of those 'Pure scifi' episodes that I think Star Trek does better than most other scifi shows even if they are interchangeable.

Also Fury. Yeah, it doesn't make sense time-travel-wise, but what time travel episode does?
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Old November 22 2012, 03:59 AM   #35
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Is The Royale hated? I love that episode, I remember finding it pretty creepy as a kid


I'd probably say A Night In Sickbay, I found the way people went mental about it pretty laughable. I could hardly even remember it from the first run of the show, and I caught it again a couple of years ago on a rerun and was like "so what?"
I get why people don't like it; but I always have appreciated the portrait of Archer as a man who did love his dog. And seeing how and why he got Porthos made it [the episode] passable for me.
Take away the diplomatic crisis and trouble to the ship as a result and the episode is a great character piece for Archer. By making the dog's illness be circumscribed by a mission threat Archer looks more a fool than anything else. It's a shame they didn't just have it be in the wake of a routine away mission, so Archer didn't seem a fool.
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Old November 22 2012, 04:26 AM   #36
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Is The Royale hated? I love that episode, I remember finding it pretty creepy as a kid


I'd probably say A Night In Sickbay, I found the way people went mental about it pretty laughable. I could hardly even remember it from the first run of the show, and I caught it again a couple of years ago on a rerun and was like "so what?"
I get why people don't like it; but I always have appreciated the portrait of Archer as a man who did love his dog. And seeing how and why he got Porthos made it [the episode] passable for me.

is it really a major character revelation for Archer that he loved his dog? That hardly seems worth an entire episode to me that otherwise is an exercise in character assassination. IMHO, of course. YMMV. ROTFL. LOL. TTFN. MMXII.
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Old November 22 2012, 04:31 AM   #37
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I really like "Children of Eden". That episode amuses me to no end.

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Old November 22 2012, 06:40 AM   #38
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^I love that episode, it's hilarious!

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(Oh and it's The Way to Eden )
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Old November 22 2012, 07:12 AM   #39
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Old November 22 2012, 08:58 AM   #40
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These Are the Voyages...

I actually enjoy it - albeit in light of the revelations of 'The Good That Men Do'.
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Old November 22 2012, 11:18 AM   #41
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Not when season seven has about six "Everybody is obsessed with a 1960s crooner holodeck recreation" episodes and ...
I read of a general dislike of the Vic Fontaine holo-character, and Vic's lounge, with more than a few fans on this board. While admittedly not my kind of music, I found the whole Vic Fontaine experience to be nice. For the DS9 crew to spend time in Vic's lounge (or play a single baseball game) during a war, is no different than the Enterprise's crew going to ten forward during a war when they'd be off shift.

That said, I personally didn't care for Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang, but not because of Vic Fontaine.


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Old November 22 2012, 10:49 PM   #42
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I have to agree with other posters and say The Royale. It's one of my favourite ever episodes of TNG. I don't know why it's considered bad.
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Old November 22 2012, 11:03 PM   #43
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I'm with most people who mentioned episodes like "The Way to Eden", "Spectre of A Gun, ""The Royale" and "Move Along Home". I love most of those and while I'm certainly able to see why some could dislike them, I always enjoy rewatching them.

Another "episode" that is somewhat unjustly hated, I think, is "Shades of Gray", which – as clip shows go – isn't nearly as horrendous as most people are making it out to be.

Not an episode, but personally I will never ever get the hate directed at Keiko and her marriage with Miles O'Brien. The distaste so many people around here feel for their story is something I just cannot grasp, as I love them both and find their relationship to be the most realistic of the whole franchise.
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Old November 23 2012, 01:15 AM   #44
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I think "Masks" and "Genesis" receive too much hate. They're high concept ideas that are well-executed (the former gets to show off some terrific production design and art direction; the latter is a show case of some great make-up effects).

I'm stumped as to what value "Shades of Grey" might have, though. The framing story is clunky, and the use of flashbacks are padding, not insightful. At least (most of) the clip shows on Stargate SG-1 used their framing stories to push the series forward and develop the characters, even if the use of clips was still padding to reach 42 minutes on a shortened schedule.
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Old November 23 2012, 01:30 AM   #45
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I think "Masks" and "Genesis" receive too much hate. They're high concept ideas that are well-executed (the former gets to show off some terrific production design and art direction; the latter is a show case of some great make-up effects).

I'm stumped as to what value "Shades of Grey" might have, though. The framing story is clunky, and the use of flashbacks are padding, not insightful. At least (most of) the clip shows on Stargate SG-1 used their framing stories to push the series forward and develop the characters, even if the use of clips was still padding to reach 42 minutes on a shortened schedule.
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