Most unjustly hated episode - Page 3

BruntFCA · November 22 2012, 02:48 AM

R. Star wrote:

BruntFCA wrote:

Rivals-I love this episode but many people seem to think its one of the worst DS9 episodes.

Really? I always liked that one. Silly, but entertaining to watch the pissing matches between Quark and that El Aurian and O'Brien and Bahsir.

Yeah it shows up all the time on worst episode lists and I really can't understand why, I mean other notoriously bad episodes like "Turnabout Intruder", "Genesis", "Move Along Home" and "A Night in Sickbay" I understand the hate even though I like them but "Rivals" I just don't get.

doubleohfive · November 22 2012, 03:06 AM

Easily "The Royale," which while just plain cheap, scifi cheese, is still fun to watch two decades later.

doubleohfive · November 22 2012, 03:08 AM

Ethros wrote:

Is The Royale hated? I love that episode, I remember finding it pretty creepy as a kid

I'd probably say A Night In Sickbay, I found the way people went mental about it pretty laughable. I could hardly even remember it from the first run of the show, and I caught it again a couple of years ago on a rerun and was like "so what?"

I get why people don't like it; but I always have appreciated the portrait of Archer as a man who did love his dog. And seeing how and why he got Porthos made it [the episode] passable for me.

JirinPanthosa · November 22 2012, 03:55 AM

Can't say I'm a fan of Rivals but it doesn't stand out to me as a particularly bad episode. Not when season seven has about six "Everybody is obsessed with a 1960s crooner holodeck recreation" episodes and a baseball episode.

Neither does Genesis. It's one of those 'Pure scifi' episodes that I think Star Trek does better than most other scifi shows even if they are interchangeable.

Also Fury. Yeah, it doesn't make sense time-travel-wise, but what time travel episode does?

Gov Kodos · November 22 2012, 03:59 AM

doubleohfive wrote:

Ethros wrote:

Is The Royale hated? I love that episode, I remember finding it pretty creepy as a kid

I'd probably say A Night In Sickbay, I found the way people went mental about it pretty laughable. I could hardly even remember it from the first run of the show, and I caught it again a couple of years ago on a rerun and was like "so what?"

I get why people don't like it; but I always have appreciated the portrait of Archer as a man who did love his dog. And seeing how and why he got Porthos made it [the episode] passable for me.

Take away the diplomatic crisis and trouble to the ship as a result and the episode is a great character piece for Archer. By making the dog's illness be circumscribed by a mission threat Archer looks more a fool than anything else. It's a shame they didn't just have it be in the wake of a routine away mission, so Archer didn't seem a fool.

sonak · November 22 2012, 04:26 AM

doubleohfive wrote:

Ethros wrote:

Is The Royale hated? I love that episode, I remember finding it pretty creepy as a kid

I'd probably say A Night In Sickbay, I found the way people went mental about it pretty laughable. I could hardly even remember it from the first run of the show, and I caught it again a couple of years ago on a rerun and was like "so what?"

I get why people don't like it; but I always have appreciated the portrait of Archer as a man who did love his dog. And seeing how and why he got Porthos made it [the episode] passable for me.

is it really a major character revelation for Archer that he loved his dog? That hardly seems worth an entire episode to me that otherwise is an exercise in character assassination. IMHO, of course. YMMV. ROTFL. LOL. TTFN. MMXII.

Smellincoffee · November 22 2012, 04:31 AM

I really like "Children of Eden". That episode amuses me to no end.

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teacake · November 22 2012, 06:40 AM

^I love that episode, it's hilarious!

"gonna clap my hands and jump for joy, got a clean bill of health from Dr. McCoy"

(Oh and it's The Way to Eden

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Jimi_James · November 22 2012, 07:12 AM

We reach.

ialfan · November 22 2012, 08:58 AM

These Are the Voyages...

I actually enjoy it - albeit in light of the revelations of 'The Good That Men Do'.

T'Girl · November 22 2012, 11:18 AM

JirinPanthosa wrote:

Not when season seven has about six "Everybody is obsessed with a 1960s crooner holodeck recreation" episodes and ...

I read of a general dislike of the Vic Fontaine holo-character, and Vic's lounge, with more than a few fans on this board. While admittedly not my kind of music, I found the whole Vic Fontaine experience to be nice. For the DS9 crew to spend time in Vic's lounge (or play a single baseball game) during a war, is no different than the Enterprise's crew going to ten forward during a war when they'd be off shift.

That said, I personally didn't care for Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang, but not because of Vic Fontaine.

Mrs Q · November 22 2012, 10:49 PM

I have to agree with other posters and say The Royale. It's one of my favourite ever episodes of TNG. I don't know why it's considered bad.

M · November 22 2012, 11:03 PM

I'm with most people who mentioned episodes like "The Way to Eden", "Spectre of A Gun, ""The Royale" and "Move Along Home". I love most of those and while I'm certainly able to see why some could dislike them, I always enjoy rewatching them.

Another "episode" that is somewhat unjustly hated, I think, is "Shades of Gray", which – as clip shows go – isn't nearly as horrendous as most people are making it out to be.

Not an episode, but personally I will never ever get the hate directed at Keiko and her marriage with Miles O'Brien. The distaste so many people around here feel for their story is something I just cannot grasp, as I love them both and find their relationship to be the most realistic of the whole franchise.

Harvey · November 23 2012, 01:15 AM

I think "Masks" and "Genesis" receive too much hate. They're high concept ideas that are well-executed (the former gets to show off some terrific production design and art direction; the latter is a show case of some great make-up effects).

I'm stumped as to what value "Shades of Grey" might have, though. The framing story is clunky, and the use of flashbacks are padding, not insightful. At least (most of) the clip shows on Stargate SG-1 used their framing stories to push the series forward and develop the characters, even if the use of clips was still padding to reach 42 minutes on a shortened schedule.

Greg Cox · November 23 2012, 01:30 AM

Harvey wrote:

I think "Masks" and "Genesis" receive too much hate. They're high concept ideas that are well-executed (the former gets to show off some terrific production design and art direction; the latter is a show case of some great make-up effects).

I'm stumped as to what value "Shades of Grey" might have, though. The framing story is clunky, and the use of flashbacks are padding, not insightful. At least (most of) the clip shows on Stargate SG-1 used their framing stories to push the series forward and develop the characters, even if the use of clips was still padding to reach 42 minutes on a shortened schedule.

Nobody ever did funnier clip shows than XENA . . ..

November 22 2012, 03:06 AM	#32
doubleohfive Fleet Admiral Location: Los Angeles, CA	Re: Most unjustly hated episode Easily "The Royale," which while just plain cheap, scifi cheese, is still fun to watch two decades later. __________________ "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it." -Voltaire

November 22 2012, 03:55 AM	#34
JirinPanthosa Captain	Re: Most unjustly hated episode Can't say I'm a fan of Rivals but it doesn't stand out to me as a particularly bad episode. Not when season seven has about six "Everybody is obsessed with a 1960s crooner holodeck recreation" episodes and a baseball episode. Neither does Genesis. It's one of those 'Pure scifi' episodes that I think Star Trek does better than most other scifi shows even if they are interchangeable. Also Fury. Yeah, it doesn't make sense time-travel-wise, but what time travel episode does?

November 22 2012, 04:31 AM	#37
Smellincoffee Fleet Captain Location: Vulcan	Re: Most unjustly hated episode I really like "Children of Eden". That episode amuses me to no end. "I am not Herbert." __________________ "The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain.." - Commander Montgomery Scott.

November 22 2012, 06:40 AM	#38
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Most unjustly hated episode ^I love that episode, it's hilarious! "gonna clap my hands and jump for joy, got a clean bill of health from Dr. McCoy" (Oh and it's The Way to Eden ) __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

November 22 2012, 07:12 AM	#39
Jimi_James Lieutenant Commander Location: Gettin' Lucky in Kentucky	Re: Most unjustly hated episode We reach. __________________ “I was here,” says Man. “Prove it,” says the Universe.” Method of Life, a post apocalyptic sci-fi ebook available on Amazon.

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November 22 2012, 08:58 AM	#40
ialfan Fleet Captain	Re: Most unjustly hated episode These Are the Voyages... I actually enjoy it - albeit in light of the revelations of 'The Good That Men Do'.

November 22 2012, 10:49 PM	#42
Mrs Q Lieutenant Junior Grade Location: Nottingham, England.	Re: Most unjustly hated episode I have to agree with other posters and say The Royale. It's one of my favourite ever episodes of TNG. I don't know why it's considered bad.

November 22 2012, 11:03 PM	#43
M Vice Admiral	Re: Most unjustly hated episode I'm with most people who mentioned episodes like "The Way to Eden", "Spectre of A Gun, ""The Royale" and "Move Along Home". I love most of those and while I'm certainly able to see why some could dislike them, I always enjoy rewatching them. Another "episode" that is somewhat unjustly hated, I think, is "Shades of Gray", which – as clip shows go – isn't nearly as horrendous as most people are making it out to be. Not an episode, but personally I will never ever get the hate directed at Keiko and her marriage with Miles O'Brien. The distaste so many people around here feel for their story is something I just cannot grasp, as I love them both and find their relationship to be the most realistic of the whole franchise. __________________ Bashir: »Out of all the stories you told me, which ones were true and which ones weren't?« Garak: »My dear doctor, they're all true.« Bashir: »Even the lies?« Garak: »Especially the lies.«

November 23 2012, 01:15 AM	#44
Harvey Admiral	Re: Most unjustly hated episode I think "Masks" and "Genesis" receive too much hate. They're high concept ideas that are well-executed (the former gets to show off some terrific production design and art direction; the latter is a show case of some great make-up effects). I'm stumped as to what value "Shades of Grey" might have, though. The framing story is clunky, and the use of flashbacks are padding, not insightful. At least (most of) the clip shows on Stargate SG-1 used their framing stories to push the series forward and develop the characters, even if the use of clips was still padding to reach 42 minutes on a shortened schedule. __________________ "What do you hear, Starbuck?" "Nothing but the rain, sir." "Then grab your gun and bring in the cat."