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Old November 21 2012, 10:00 PM   #16
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Re: Most unjustly hated episode

I'll second Move Along Home. I think that's a cool episode, back when I DMed I based an adventure off it.

Seven's robotic personality can be explained by the age at which she was assimilated.

Might also add Sacred Ground.
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Old November 21 2012, 10:12 PM   #17
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I'm surprised Spectre Of The Gun is hated. Don't like Westerns but I always thought it was intriguing and striking. Other episodes I can understand the hate.
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Old November 21 2012, 10:26 PM   #18
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Glad to see I'm not the only one to like "Move Along Home."

Now on to my point of disagreement with you:

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Seven's robotic personality can be explained by the age at which she was assimilated.
Yet Hugh was either assimilated so young that he remembers nothing else (even Seven has some memories), or he was born into the Collective.

This fact would seem to help my argument rather than yours. Seven had some vague memory of humanity to draw upon and that should've informed at least a few of her responses. Yet she was robotic in personality.

Hugh had no such resources in evidence, and may not have ever had a personality of his own at any point in the past. Yet he exhibited much greater depth of emotion than Seven. Not always mature (much as I love the character, it was pretty immature when he went off on Riker in "Descent"), but I would say he was much further along emotionally than Seven.

And this without any of the resources Seven had, that should've put her even further ahead of Hugh. It would've made sense to see her with emotions like a child's (much as Hugh does demonstrate some immaturity), but with strong emotions. As it was, VOY basically ignored the precedent "Descent" had made clear.
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Old November 21 2012, 10:34 PM   #19
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Royal and Masks, don't know why they get flack.
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Old November 21 2012, 10:38 PM   #20
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Glad to see I'm not the only one to like "Move Along Home."

Now on to my point of disagreement with you:

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Seven's robotic personality can be explained by the age at which she was assimilated.
Yet Hugh was either assimilated so young that he remembers nothing else (even Seven has some memories), or he was born into the Collective.

This fact would seem to help my argument rather than yours. Seven had some vague memory of humanity to draw upon and that should've informed at least a few of her responses. Yet she was robotic in personality.

Hugh had no such resources in evidence, and may not have ever had a personality of his own at any point in the past. Yet he exhibited much greater depth of emotion than Seven. Not always mature (much as I love the character, it was pretty immature when he went off on Riker in "Descent"), but I would say he was much further along emotionally than Seven.

And this without any of the resources Seven had, that should've put her even further ahead of Hugh. It would've made sense to see her with emotions like a child's (much as Hugh does demonstrate some immaturity), but with strong emotions. As it was, VOY basically ignored the precedent "Descent" had made clear.
It's pretty clear Voyager's writer's were going for a Borg-holm Syndrome type thing. She's retreating into the security her Borg-ness gives her. If it had been thought of by the time of I, Borg you can bet your jimmies Hugh would have been more like that too. The real problem with Seven was that the writers hit the reset button on her character whenever possible.

Anyways, I dig Samaritan Snare. We look for things. I'll also echo previous sentiments about Masks and The Royale.
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Old November 21 2012, 10:45 PM   #21
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The Omega Glory. People get so wrapped up in the flag that they miss a great performance by Morgan Woodward and a compelling story.
I agree, there are a few elements that are horrible, but on the whole, the story is quite good. I'll also say that I have no problem with Move Along Home. The Alamaraine song and dance is silly, but I like the story; it's a fun episode.
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Old November 21 2012, 11:09 PM   #22
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Is The Royale hated? I love that episode, I remember finding it pretty creepy as a kid


I'd probably say A Night In Sickbay, I found the way people went mental about it pretty laughable. I could hardly even remember it from the first run of the show, and I caught it again a couple of years ago on a rerun and was like "so what?"
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Old November 21 2012, 11:17 PM   #23
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I love The Royale. It's one of my favorite early TNG episodes. The scenes with Data shooting dice are hilarious.

The Way to Eden often seems to catch a lot of flak, but I really like, mainly because of the music. Granted, it's rather cheesy, but it's also pretty catchy and fun to sing along with. I also like seeing Spock jam with the space hippies.
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Old November 22 2012, 01:36 AM   #24
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Rivals-I love this episode but many people seem to think its one of the worst DS9 episodes.
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Old November 22 2012, 01:42 AM   #25
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Rivals-I love this episode but many people seem to think its one of the worst DS9 episodes.
Really? I always liked that one. Silly, but entertaining to watch the pissing matches between Quark and that El Aurian and O'Brien and Bahsir.
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Old November 22 2012, 01:56 AM   #26
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Hi, T'Girl-- It has been a while since I have seen "Questor"... what scene are you referring to?
Both Data and Questor are in a casino, the house gives them trick dice, they're deliberately out of shape and balance so the players can't win their point.

Both androids squeeze the dice in their fists to correct the dice, rendering them properly shaped.

Both win their point.

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Old November 22 2012, 02:25 AM   #27
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You know I'm not really a TNG fan but the one ep I remember very fondly is The Royale. So it surprises me it gets canned.
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Old November 22 2012, 02:32 AM   #28
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Anyways, I dig Samaritan Snare. We look for things..
If you like "Samaritan Snare," dare I suggest you check out my story, "Work is Hard," which is sort of a sequel to that episode? It can be found in the Star Trek: Seven Deadly Sins anthology.

The Pakleds are "Sloth," no surprise.
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Old November 22 2012, 02:33 AM   #29
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I'll second "Sacred Ground"; I've always thought that that episode gave us a really nice look into Janeway's spirituality and her own internal conflict between her spiritual beliefs and her scientific beliefs.

Though "Threshold" is bad, I do agree that it is funny, in an insane, ridiculous way. The scene with Tuvok and Chakotay on the planet is downright hilarious!

I'll probably get some guff for this one, but I feel like "The Fight" is one to mention. Don't get me wrong, it's not a stellar episode, but it gives us a brief glimpse into Chakotay's character beyond the plank on the bridge (for once).

Oh, and someone mentioned the TNG episode "Genesis" a little ways back. Great episode in terms of the creepy factor, but definitely not one to be watched at two in the morning...
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Old November 22 2012, 02:45 AM   #30
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Anyways, I dig Samaritan Snare. We look for things..
If you like "Samaritan Snare," dare I suggest you check out my story, "Work is Hard," which is sort of a sequel to that episode? It can be found in the Star Trek: Seven Deadly Sins anthology.

The Pakleds are "Sloth," no surprise.
I'll second the endorsement of your story (though NOT "Samaritan Snare," because I think the episode was very badly done). I have a somewhat different idea to "explain" the Pakled, but this story is really good. Snolli was someone I found myself really rooting for!
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