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Old November 21 2012, 02:42 PM   #196
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Re: Coming July 2013: STAR TREK ENTERPRISE — RISE OF THE FEDERATION

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How many were built during the war, and did production continue in peacetime ? There must be a few left to refit...
IFM established that 15 or 16 NX-class vessels had been built in total. Though not compatible with the novel continuity, Star Trek: Legacy had the Currie (NX-16) and the Avenger (NX-09).

Btw, the Terran Empire also had a couple of NX-class ships.

Edit: The Enterprise underwent a severe refit in the previous ENT novel. It doesn't refer to the Drexler refit but it would fit. I pictured the NX1.5 for the rest of the novel. Btw, the Intrepid (NX-07) was specifically not refitted in IFM.
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Old November 21 2012, 08:33 PM   #197
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As for lead ships...

Wouldn't it stand to reason that, with the UFP only a year old, most members would still be using their own fleets? I mean, even 150 years from now, I find it hard to believe there could be an infrastructure so big, that it could build an entire fleet of newly designed ships in just a year. Personally, I always asumed that it took a few years, maybe even a decade or two, to phase out all of Earth, Vulcan, Andorian and Tellarite ships before Starfleet was made up of ships designed and build solely by Starfleet.
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Old November 21 2012, 08:36 PM   #198
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Re: Coming July 2013: STAR TREK ENTERPRISE — RISE OF THE FEDERATION

Tho apparently IFM isn't 'in continuity' according to editorial. So that may not be relevant.
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Old November 21 2012, 08:54 PM   #199
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Wouldn't it stand to reason that, with the UFP only a year old, most members would still be using their own fleets? I mean, even 150 years from now, I find it hard to believe there could be an infrastructure so big, that it could build an entire fleet of newly designed ships in just a year. Personally, I always asumed that it took a few years, maybe even a decade or two, to phase out all of Earth, Vulcan, Andorian and Tellarite ships before Starfleet was made up of ships designed and build solely by Starfleet.
Yes, and there's some exploration of the beginnings of that transition in the book. If I get to do more books, we might see more of the process.


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Tho apparently IFM isn't 'in continuity' according to editorial. So that may not be relevant.
As I've already said more than once, since that book's Intrepid was lost a year before my novel takes place and is never actually mentioned in the book, it wouldn't have been relevant either way.
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Old November 24 2012, 10:30 PM   #200
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Wouldn't it stand to reason that, with the UFP only a year old, most members would still be using their own fleets? I mean, even 150 years from now, I find it hard to believe there could be an infrastructure so big, that it could build an entire fleet of newly designed ships in just a year. Personally, I always asumed that it took a few years, maybe even a decade or two, to phase out all of Earth, Vulcan, Andorian and Tellarite ships before Starfleet was made up of ships designed and build solely by Starfleet.
Yes, and there's some exploration of the beginnings of that transition in the book. If I get to do more books, we might see more of the process.
It's kind of neat to imagine Vulcan, Andorian, Tellarite, and United Earth ships all painted with the Federation livery. I'm just picturing that TOS-era blocky font on a Vulcan or Andorian ship. U.S.S. Ti'Mur or U.S.S. Kumari.
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Old November 29 2012, 06:43 AM   #201
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Re: Coming July 2013: STAR TREK ENTERPRISE — RISE OF THE FEDERATION

I can't wait for this book. I loved the idea of a show predating the Federation, and while I really enjoyed Enterprise (a lot actually) the first three seasons were wasted when they all should have been season 4.

I'll be picking up the book day one.

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Old November 29 2012, 03:00 PM   #202
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I don't think the first three seasons were a waste. I thought season 1 did a great job conveying a sense of the pioneering days of Starfleet, and recapturing the pure exploration that Star Trek was originally about. I felt it did as good a job in its own way of laying the foundations for the Trek universe as season 4 did. The difference is that S4 was focused more on interstellar politics and blatant continuity porn while S1 was more about the process of discovery -- both the discovery of alien worlds and interstellar politics and the discovery of the methods and practices of exploring deep space and making alien contacts.
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Old November 29 2012, 06:31 PM   #203
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I was proud to have taken a Starfleet uniform where no man had before during the program- the top of pad 39A.


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Kirk's fight with Gary 7 occured on some other pad then?
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Old November 30 2012, 06:09 AM   #204
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Re: Coming July 2013: STAR TREK ENTERPRISE — RISE OF THE FEDERATION

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I was proud to have taken a Starfleet uniform where no man had before during the program- the top of pad 39A.


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Kirk's fight with Gary 7 occured on some other pad then?
If you're refering to canon Trek, Kirk never fought Gary 7 on any pad...

EDIT: Well, except for the transporter pad, I suppose...
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Old November 30 2012, 06:21 PM   #205
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^Unless you count people watching it on their iPad.




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Old November 30 2012, 09:13 PM   #206
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I don't think the first three seasons were a waste. I thought season 1 did a great job conveying a sense of the pioneering days of Starfleet, and recapturing the pure exploration that Star Trek was originally about. I felt it did as good a job in its own way of laying the foundations for the Trek universe as season 4 did. The difference is that S4 was focused more on interstellar politics and blatant continuity porn while S1 was more about the process of discovery -- both the discovery of alien worlds and interstellar politics and the discovery of the methods and practices of exploring deep space and making alien contacts.
One thing that I hope you do address is what exactly the aliens brought to the Federation and Starfleet and what they felt they got out of the union.

One of the things that REALLY bugged me about Enterprise was the fact that Earth was not given a unique identity and instead everything that was Starfleet and the Federation in the 23rd/24th century was assumed to have derrived exclusively from Earth. To me that creative (or lack there of) decision by the creators seriously undermined what unique institutions Starfleet and the Federation would become.

One of the things I like about both Babylon 5 and Stargate is that Earth ships essentially look like very bare bones flying bricks. They are not elegant, but they are what you would expect real world space craft designers to build. No frills ships that get the job done but have little concern for asthetics. On B5, once Earth joins the Interstellar Allaince, the ships progressively get sleeker and take on less of a flying brick look as they adopt more of the techology and design concepts of their alien allies (especially the Minbari and the Vorlons). The ISAS Victory and Excalibur look like what they are...ships built with the influence of multiple races. The same is true of the Valen later on.

The same idea was true on Stargate where the first USAF Space crafts were just blatant rip offs of Gould technology, and then they started to take on the contours or more human designs...and eventually incorporate elements of Tokra, Ancient and Asgard designs.

On Enterprise...everything about the NX01 screams that this is a basically a Federation ship. Hell Doug Drexler's upgraded season 5 NX-01 is a constitution class ship in waiting.
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Old November 30 2012, 10:02 PM   #207
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On the other hand, Enterprise clearly established that Vulcans and Andorians had deflector shields and tractor beams before Earth did. And the Andorian cruiser's bridge had paired helm and navigation officers at the front like the TOS bridge. If you look beyond the surface, the alien influence is there.
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Old December 3 2012, 03:20 PM   #208
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Re: Coming July 2013: STAR TREK ENTERPRISE — RISE OF THE FEDERATION

Wait, why is IFM not in continuity?
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Old December 3 2012, 03:37 PM   #209
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Wait, why is IFM not in continuity?
That's unclear. All we really know is that Dave was told to disregard it when writing his current trilogy -- which I think has been blown out of proportion, since, based on my conversations with Dave, I think that applied specifically to reconciling his plans for Geordi with what IFM established about Geordi and Leah Brahms. I know he was planning on finding a way to reconcile them, but apparently the editor said not to bother explaining the change.

Although there are a couple of things about IFM that are hard to reconcile with other books -- mainly that the Titan novels have Alyssa Ogawa on Titan as a nurse just months before she's seen on Challenger as a doctor.
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Old December 3 2012, 04:00 PM   #210
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Ah, thanks Christopher. I just tried reading that thread, and it was a hard to get the gist. I had no idea. I haven't yet gotten any of the new trilogy yet, so I didn't know of any discrepancies.

While it does seem a little silly, I will just do my usual rationalizations and ridiculous hypotheses to reconcile them until it is done in-story, if ever.

Sorry, Lonemagpie...

On the actual topic of this thread, I am ecstatic about this novel! I hope it is established here the status of Danobula in/about the Federation. I like to assume Danobula was an early member, but I think its membership has only been hinted at all.

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