Star Wars Episode 7 - 2015 - Page 67

The Mirrorball Man · November 19 2012, 10:03 AM

Donald Draper wrote:

There is a lot of overlap between Retcon and Reboot. A lot of times there is not much difference.

"Retcon" means "retroactive continuity", which happens when you insert facts and character retroactively in the franchise's past as if they had always been there. A reboot means that you completely erase all continuity and start again with a new one. I don't think there's a lot of overlap between those two concepts.

Donald Draper · November 19 2012, 09:00 PM

Ummm with Star Wars the films have always stayed the constant core. But the material in the books and the comics has been reshaped all the time. Lets not forget these are just fan terms. The huge amount of "retroactive continuity" done with SW stuff would be called a reboot anywhere else. What they need to do to fit all these inconsistencies together is very similar to what DC comics does. They reboot some stuff fully and keep other stuff. So the word "retcon" is used to explain how it can fit.

The point is in order to understand how Zahn's version of the Clone Wars fit with the real versions movies you have to track down magazine articles and other books that later written later . The new movies are going to largely be aimed at people who have seen the first 6 episodes only! You got to wonder if at some point Lucasfilm is going to want to open Star Wars tie in books to everyone. Not a small group which have studied everything published for 35 years so they alone can understand how it all fits together.

Hound of UIster · November 19 2012, 09:29 PM

When Disney bought SW they also bought the thousands of characters and worlds from the EU. It's a point that the CEO of Disney, Bob Iger himself even noted. Rebooting it flushes all of it down the drain and I don't see Disney doing that anymore than them going for a reboot of the Marvel Comics Shared Universe. It's counterproductive to their goal and creates a net loss of intellectual properties.

Donald Draper · November 19 2012, 09:47 PM

Just because you reboot does not mean you can not use those characters in new ways. DC and Marvel have been doing this for decades. In the comics and other media.

Hound of UIster · November 19 2012, 09:51 PM

Marvel has managed to do it without having a need to reboot the shared universe of the comic book. That at least shows that maximal utilization of the intellectual properties purchased by Disney doesn't require a reboot imo. Rather I think pushing new talent and respecting the stuff that has come previously will help pave the way forward.

theenglish · November 20 2012, 02:50 AM

I, for one, won't be happy unless all on screen material is respected. I want to see a reference to the dynamic history created from both Ewok movies, the Droids cartoon, and most importantly, the Christmas special.

DWF · November 20 2012, 03:12 AM

theenglish wrote:

I, for one, won't be happy unless all on screen material is respected. I want to see a reference to the dynamic history created from both Ewok movies, the Droids cartoon, and most importantly, the Christmas special.

It's a shame then that Bea Arthur is dead.

theenglish · November 20 2012, 05:09 AM

DWF wrote:

theenglish wrote:

I, for one, won't be happy unless all on screen material is respected. I want to see a reference to the dynamic history created from both Ewok movies, the Droids cartoon, and most importantly, the Christmas special.

It's a shame then that Bea Arthur is dead.

Disney also bought ILM so bringing her back should not be much of a problem.

sojourner · November 20 2012, 08:43 AM

^Was she animatronic? Damn that explains a lot about Golden Girls.

Drago-Kazov · November 20 2012, 03:21 PM

I'll let Even Piell know how much Filoni was looking out for him. I'm sure he'll appreciate it.
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Can you definetly prov that was his call?

There is a lot of overlap between Retcon and Reboot. A lot of times there is not much difference.

For example?

Donald Draper · November 20 2012, 09:24 PM

I'd heard the term "Soft Reboot" used a lot in recent years. Which I would think would be a Retcon. My whole point is these are just terms made up by fans. Even among fans there is not an agreed upon consensus of what the real definitions are.

Professor Zoom · November 20 2012, 11:23 PM

Donald Draper wrote:

I'd heard the term "Soft Reboot" used a lot in recent years. Which I would think would be a Retcon. My whole point is these are just terms made up by fans. Even among fans there is not an agreed upon consensus of what the real definitions are.

They aren't made up by fans. A soft reboot would be the Daniel Craig Bond. A full reboot would be the new Battlestar Galactica TV show, using the basic premise.

A retcon would be finding out decades after her death, The Green Goblin had fathered children with Gwen Stacey.

There is no overlap.

JaxsBrokenHeart · November 21 2012, 03:25 AM

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea...n-simon-393459

Kasdan's back? Holy crap!

Donald Draper · November 21 2012, 04:01 AM

No Daniel Craig's Bond is a full Reboot! That one is really obvious. See this proves my point!

DarthPipes · November 21 2012, 04:57 AM

JaxsBrokenHeart wrote:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea...n-simon-393459

Kasdan's back? Holy crap!

I'll believe it when it's officially confirmed by Disney/LFL. If true though, that's pretty damn cool.

November 19 2012, 09:00 PM	#992
Donald Draper Fleet Captain	Re: Star Wars Episode 7 - 2015 Ummm with Star Wars the films have always stayed the constant core. But the material in the books and the comics has been reshaped all the time. Lets not forget these are just fan terms. The huge amount of "retroactive continuity" done with SW stuff would be called a reboot anywhere else. What they need to do to fit all these inconsistencies together is very similar to what DC comics does. They reboot some stuff fully and keep other stuff. So the word "retcon" is used to explain how it can fit. The point is in order to understand how Zahn's version of the Clone Wars fit with the real versions movies you have to track down magazine articles and other books that later written later . The new movies are going to largely be aimed at people who have seen the first 6 episodes only! You got to wonder if at some point Lucasfilm is going to want to open Star Wars tie in books to everyone. Not a small group which have studied everything published for 35 years so they alone can understand how it all fits together.

November 19 2012, 09:29 PM	#993
Hound of UIster Rear Admiral	Re: Star Wars Episode 7 - 2015 When Disney bought SW they also bought the thousands of characters and worlds from the EU. It's a point that the CEO of Disney, Bob Iger himself even noted. Rebooting it flushes all of it down the drain and I don't see Disney doing that anymore than them going for a reboot of the Marvel Comics Shared Universe. It's counterproductive to their goal and creates a net loss of intellectual properties.

November 19 2012, 09:47 PM	#994
Donald Draper Fleet Captain	Re: Star Wars Episode 7 - 2015 Just because you reboot does not mean you can not use those characters in new ways. DC and Marvel have been doing this for decades. In the comics and other media.

November 19 2012, 09:51 PM	#995
Hound of UIster Rear Admiral	Re: Star Wars Episode 7 - 2015 Marvel has managed to do it without having a need to reboot the shared universe of the comic book. That at least shows that maximal utilization of the intellectual properties purchased by Disney doesn't require a reboot imo. Rather I think pushing new talent and respecting the stuff that has come previously will help pave the way forward.

November 20 2012, 02:50 AM	#996
theenglish Rear Admiral Location: Central America	Re: Star Wars Episode 7 - 2015 I, for one, won't be happy unless all on screen material is respected. I want to see a reference to the dynamic history created from both Ewok movies, the Droids cartoon, and most importantly, the Christmas special.

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November 20 2012, 08:43 AM	#999
sojourner Vice Admiral Location: I'm at WKRP	Re: Star Wars Episode 7 - 2015 ^Was she animatronic? Damn that explains a lot about Golden Girls. __________________ Baby, you and me were never meant to be, just maybe think of me once in a while...

November 20 2012, 09:24 PM	#1001
Donald Draper Fleet Captain	Re: Star Wars Episode 7 - 2015 I'd heard the term "Soft Reboot" used a lot in recent years. Which I would think would be a Retcon. My whole point is these are just terms made up by fans. Even among fans there is not an agreed upon consensus of what the real definitions are.

November 21 2012, 03:25 AM	#1003
JaxsBrokenHeart Lieutenant	Re: Star Wars Episode 7 - 2015 http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea...n-simon-393459 Kasdan's back? Holy crap!

November 21 2012, 04:01 AM	#1004
Donald Draper Fleet Captain	Re: Star Wars Episode 7 - 2015 No Daniel Craig's Bond is a full Reboot! That one is really obvious. See this proves my point!