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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old November 10 2012, 12:20 AM   #31
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Re: Those little details you miss

I never noticed that!
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Old November 19 2012, 08:03 PM   #32
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i like the audio clue in STIII when beaming over to the enterprise and the exterior shot you hear the beginning of the tos theme.
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Old November 20 2012, 06:18 AM   #33
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These things happen. TMP featured extensive and elaborate alien makeup and costumes. Didn't see much of it at all. Far background crowd at SF HQ and then again a crowd scene on the Rec Deck. A few standout characters but nothing representative of the array of aliens they worked on. A lot of effort for comparatively little screen time.
Weren't a few of them already developed for the aborted TV show?

Also, as far as costumes, I think it was a bit of Fletcher getting the keys to the old paramount art house store room and given a "blank check" and carte blanche. He seemed to gcream overboard, creating whole back stories for the aliens he worked on, using thousands of dollars worth of antique fabrics and jewelry that were just sitting in storage not having been touched in twenty to fifty years.
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Old November 20 2012, 09:49 PM   #34
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Weren't a few of them already developed for the aborted TV show?

Also, as far as costumes, I think it was a bit of Fletcher getting the keys to the old paramount art house store room and given a "blank check" and carte blanche.
With the sheer number of Epsilon 9 outfits auctioned by It's a Wrap! a few years ago, they certainly must have earmarked as much costume budget as possible to stockpile stuff for potential telemovie spin-offs, when the budget would be much smaller.

When I had a phone conversation with Fred Phillips in January 1984, he told me their brief was to emulate the banquet scene of "Journey to Babel", with the thought that the alien ambassadors were being gathered for their own briefing on the approach of Vejur. More closeups (and even dialogue) had originally been expected (hence a few aliens had human mouths) but, when Robert Wise came to the project, he was less impressed with the over-the-head latex alien masks and shoved them into the background, despite the gorgeous old fabrics used in their costumes.
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Old May 28 2013, 05:32 AM   #35
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...Curiously, the other window shows a wall with a grillework that closely matches that on the interior set. Which is good continuity, but the grille in the set is rather down low, below shoulder level, suggesting that the guy peeking out is crouching deep down, or a dwarf!

The apparent floor level indicated by the docking port establishes this already anyway. What was Probert thinking, placing these portholes so low in relation to the doors? Perhaps he assumed that the interior set would have stairs not unlike those found in the "topside docking port" set through which Spock enters?

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Well, you're looking at a separate scaled-up model of the hull there, and usually when they do these, they aren't particularly accurate (the one built for the can-opener shot in TWOK for instance, which I guess has a lot of inaccuracies in it.) Is it possible that these other portholes aren't quite placed in the same way on the full 8' shooting miniature?

BTW, that is modelmaker Mark Stetson in the window.
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Old May 28 2013, 05:42 AM   #36
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...or maybe the guy (Mark Stetson) is seated, since we don't see the room he's in.
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BTW, that is modelmaker Mark Stetson in the window.
You mean the creepy face in the porthole, the one that people always wonder about? Cool. Nice to know who it is.

(Extra cool for me, as Mark Steston is a VFX supervisor where I work, so I run into him all the time. /humblebrag)
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Old May 28 2013, 08:27 PM   #38
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He told me that when I interviewed him about SURROGATES a couple years back. Every time I do an article involving TMP folk, I always ask about that stuff, or what was inside the rec deck windows, that kind of thing.
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Old May 29 2013, 01:10 PM   #39
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Is it possible that these other portholes aren't quite placed in the same way on the full 8' shooting miniature?
Possible, but not the case in this, well, case.

Perhaps there's something to the mechanism of that door prop that absolutely calls for it to be mounted at least a couple of feet above studio floor level, and this particular area was designed to facilitate a shot of the doors from the inside, one that was never needed in the end? (Note that the door is above studio floor level in ST2, too, adjoining the torpedo set with the torp track ditch under the set floor...) Perhaps the set depicting the bridge docking port was to be reused without modifications, regardless of the reasons of having those steps on that set?

Nothing about the secondary hull was done quite to Probert's liking, but was dictated from on high; perhaps the exterior reflects his original ideas that never could be implemented in full?

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