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Old November 18 2012, 10:22 PM   #31
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Re: Qesus?

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Thing is, Q (as in de Lancie) is the only one in the Continuum who has any real interest in humanity. And since behaving in such a manner would be a bit out of character for him, well...
How do we know he was the only one?
Because it was mentioned every other time we saw another Q.

Besides, remember in Q Who Guinan comments that the other Q are "almost respectable." I don't know how many "almost respectable" people would try to manipulate a primitive species into worshipping them.
So what? Just because most Q are respectable during TNG does not mean that there could be no rogue Q in the Antiquity.
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Old November 19 2012, 03:02 AM   #32
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There is absolutely nothing in the Bible which precludes the existence of aliens or any extraterrestrial life. Nowhere does it say that we are the only intelligent species in the universe. If aliens made contact with us right now, it wouldn't violate any tenet of my faith. I think most people would welcome it.
That was something that bothered me about the most recent version of V. The good-guy priest character seemed to feel that people had to choose between God and the Visitors and that never quite made sense to me. Why couldn't people believe in God and friendly aliens?
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Old November 19 2012, 03:09 AM   #33
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Guess if they did the finger sex thing, Mary could've been a virgin.
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Old November 19 2012, 03:32 AM   #34
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Re: Qesus?

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How do we know he was the only one?
Because it was mentioned every other time we saw another Q.

Besides, remember in Q Who Guinan comments that the other Q are "almost respectable." I don't know how many "almost respectable" people would try to manipulate a primitive species into worshipping them.
So what? Just because most Q are respectable during TNG does not mean that there could be no rogue Q in the Antiquity.
Did Quinn take an interest in Humanity? And, since it's established Q can time travel (so we're lead to believe by Q), nothing precludes a Q from traveling back in time.

I stand corrected on my assumption you meant John DeLancie's Q and not just any Q.
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Old November 19 2012, 05:54 AM   #35
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Guess if they did the finger sex thing, Mary could've been a virgin.
i came across this video and i found it interesting.

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Old November 19 2012, 06:00 AM   #36
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so we're lead to believe by Q.
I sometimes wonder about the extent of Q's powers, and their limits.

In 'Farpoint when Picard and company were placed on trial by Q, did he actually take them off the ship, or did it all happen in their minds? Put there by Q? When they "returned" to the battle bridge, O'Brien at the helm wasn't even aware that they had left the ship. So did they?

And if Q can put images and events into your mind, then his powers could be significantly less than they seem.

I'm not suggesting that Q is completely powerless, he can board a starship moving at warp, he can bring objects into existence (or take them from somewhere), he can move objects like asteroids, and moved the Enterprise light years to encounter the Borg.

But is he really omnipotent and omniscient? Or is it that most of what he does is a deception?


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Old November 19 2012, 11:14 AM   #37
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I stand corrected on my assumption you meant John DeLancie's Q and not just any Q.
I meant just any Q.
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Old November 19 2012, 11:49 AM   #38
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Not sure if it's been said, but the Trek lore has suggested Q, to have visited earth in the past. He was known as Loki in Norse mythology and as the "Father of Lies" to others. I would imagine that would make him less than a Jesus figure.
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Old November 19 2012, 07:36 PM   #39
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GR's God thing has Jesus in it and questions the nature of God in relation to the devil/satan
and ultimate technology and reality. He could have been a rogue Metron or Organian. Or more specifically a member of a race produced by V'ger.
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Old November 19 2012, 07:46 PM   #40
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Not sure if it's been said, but the Trek lore has suggested Q, to have visited earth in the past. He was known as Loki in Norse mythology and as the "Father of Lies" to others. I would imagine that would make him less than a Jesus figure.
The truth can be twisted in 2000 years.
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Old November 19 2012, 11:35 PM   #41
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Not sure if it's been said, but the Trek lore has suggested Q, to have visited earth in the past. He was known as Loki in Norse mythology and as the "Father of Lies" to others. I would imagine that would make him less than a Jesus figure.
The truth can be twisted in 2000 years.
You got that right.

T'Girl said:
I sometimes wonder about the extent of Q's powers, and their limits.

In 'Farpoint when Picard and company were placed on trial by Q, did he actually take them off the ship, or did it all happen in their minds? Put there by Q? When they "returned" to the battle bridge, O'Brien at the helm wasn't even aware that they had left the ship. So did they?
Exactly. So, did Q really take Picard to the real primordial ooze on prehistoric Earth? Memory Alpha specifically states it was Picard's "consciousness" and not his whole body that was transported. It also states Q and Quinn transported all of Voyager to the Big Bang.

Who knows?
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Old November 20 2012, 12:38 AM   #42
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No.

Q could not have been Jesus. For one thing, Q is a fictitious late-20th century TV character, while Jesus was a real, historical figure of 2000 years ago; read Josephus and Pliny for evidence of this (the wildest naysayers deny even Jesus' historiocity). Also read the recent historical studies written by Prof. John Dominic Crossan.

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Old November 20 2012, 02:05 AM   #43
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But is he really omnipotent and omniscient? Or is it that most of what he does is a deception?
Remember Quinn's warnings...despite how it may appear, the Q are NOT omnipotent.

As for "The God Thing"? I'm aware of it. And I don't care.



I don't even think that Q was the devil. Q is snarky and enjoys needling people, but he has never been outright evil. And correct me if I'm wrong, but Q has never lied to Picard (or anyone else), isn't that right? Satan, on the other hand, is literally the Father of Lies. Everything Satan does or says is a lie, or serves the cause of lies. Q doesn't do that.

And an excellent point re: SG-1. I never saw the ep in question (where Teal'c points out that the Goa'uld are incapable of compassion and benevolence and so could never impersonate Jesus), but now I think I want to. And Teal'c was right, BTW.
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Old November 20 2012, 02:45 AM   #44
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Yes and no.

Yes,
because if you recall the Q have known, seen, and done it all before. That's why Quinn wanted to die: there literally wasn't anything he hadn't done to cope with the, by that point, boredom of existence.

No, because
a) maybe he was just being metaphorical... After all, in the real world we have similar experiences to each other that we can all relate to but we haven't and haven't needed to have the EXACT same experience to understand. My boring day waiting at the DMV or broken heart over an ex doesn't have to be EXACTLY like yours.

b) Q as he was portrayed early on didn't seem like he'd have bothered THAT much...to invest 33 years into a "barbaric child race that had only by the 24th century began to be interesting?" He just popped in every now and again to satisfy curiosity and tip his toys in various directions.

Then again,
maybe he wouldn't have had to invest the whole time. For one thing, Jesus was MIA for a large part of his life, and for another, well, maybe most of his life as written by others, long after the fact, was embellished. Maybe Q popped in a few times here and there, and our ancestors filled in the rest because they saw they had something there..for the good of us all or just their prophesying self-interests.

...Would make for memorable television. But of course...in reality...Jesus Christ...

Is not John de Lancie. :P
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