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Old November 18 2012, 06:52 PM   #46
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CVN-65? Is that the current Enterprise? If so, we know that it existed in the Trek timeline because it was the "Nuclear Wessel" seen in ST4.
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Old November 18 2012, 07:02 PM   #47
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I thought Chekov misidentified the ship, and the vessel he and Uhura were looking at was actual the Ranger.
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Old November 18 2012, 07:08 PM   #48
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IIRC, the Enterprise was at sea when STIV was filmed, so the Enterprise was "played" by the Ranger.
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Old November 18 2012, 08:07 PM   #49
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^ That's right. The ship used for filming was the Ranger, but in-universe, it was Enterprise.

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CVN-65? Is that the current Enterprise? If so, we know that it existed in the Trek timeline because it was the "Nuclear Wessel" seen in ST4.
Exactly! We know it existed, and yet it wasn't in the TMP rec room wall scene. So that proves that said scene is meaningless in determining the legitimacy of any given ship called Enterprise. If a ship's not there, that doesn't mean SHIT regarding any supposed changes to the timeline...

Decker's specific words were "All these vessels were called Enterprise." He did not say that "These were all the vessels called Enterprise."
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Old November 18 2012, 09:24 PM   #50
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Pehaps those pictures in TMP were "really" monitors that slowly cycled between shots of different Enterprises, and it just wasn't shown for long enough to cycle through to the NX-01.
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Old November 19 2012, 09:50 AM   #51
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It can go either way. A dedication plaque doesn't rotate through various images and ads, but OTOH most dedication plaques don't have a big alcove or shrine dedicated to them in a facility intended for recreation...

The fun thing is, the nuclear Enterprise CVN-65 is in practice more or less a "nuclearized" Ranger CV-61 anyway. That is, both ships use the same basic hull design and flight deck arrangement. Indeed, "65" is a number in the same running sequence as "61", and the real-world hop from "64" to "65" basically just entailed installing eight nuclear reactors where conventional boilers would otherwise have gone, and building a funny-looking cubical command tower or "island" bristling with (for the time) modern radar technology.

Apparently, in the Star Trek reality, only the reactors were installed, and the island remained of the Ranger type - until some later date when the cubical island was installed, so that Picard's and Archer's ships have artwork of this configuration.

Or then in both realities, CVN-65 was initially built with the cubical island, but only the Star Trek reality saw the refitting that was planned in our reality as well but was never performed - that of stripping away the now completely outdated radar system and reducing the silhouette of the island from cubical to conventional. And Archer and Picard thus enjoy artwork of the original configuration, yet Chekov visited the refitted ship...

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Old November 19 2012, 07:24 PM   #52
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At some point the Star Trek universe separated overtly from our own. Certainly the space program of the 1960's kept going strong in their's, where our universe's space program petered out in the early 1970's.

They also might have got to the moon a year before we did.

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Old November 20 2012, 04:31 AM   #53
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Yet every time they visit the past, it looks remarkably like our present.
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Old November 20 2012, 09:03 AM   #54
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Heck, their future looks remarkably like our present, too.

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Old November 20 2012, 11:12 AM   #55
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Fashions seem similar.

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