Babylon 5 vs Deep Space Nine - Page 3

DarthTom · November 15 2012, 06:27 PM

teacake wrote:

DS9 can only wish it was as complex as Babylon 5.

Babylon 5 can only wish it looked as neat and put together as DS9.

And teakcake with the Captain Janeway avatar: Voyager can only wish it didn't have as many time travel and hollowdeck episodes not mention the very worst of ST Trek, the dreaded Threshold episode where some of the crew evolve into giant salamanders and mate.

DeepSpaceWine · November 16 2012, 05:03 PM

I'm detecting a lot of negativity on these B5 threads for certain Star Trek series...

Relayer1 · November 16 2012, 05:20 PM

B5 was a tremendous achievement and certainly had the best bad guys, but lost out heavily in all the other areas. With notable exceptions Andreas Katsulas and Peter Jurassik, the cast ranged from plain embarrassing to barely adequate and just doesn't compare.

I'd be more than happy for JMS to bring it back, but it doesn't compare to DS9.

EmoBorg · November 17 2012, 04:52 AM

I prefer B5 plot over DS9 plot anytime. I voted for B5 Cast because of Andreas Katsulas and Peter Jurasik acting. Their acting alone compensated for the few others bad acting in the series.

Sheridan and Sisko were a close fight but in the end i voted for Sheridan because i am more familiar with him.

The Shadows as the villains were far more interesting. The Dominion were nothing more than run of the mill villains who fought others because they saw them as threats. The Shadows were hardcore Social Darwinist who practiced what they preached. A far more interesting antagonist.

teacake · November 17 2012, 08:44 AM

DarthTom wrote:

teacake wrote:

DS9 can only wish it was as complex as Babylon 5.

Babylon 5 can only wish it looked as neat and put together as DS9.

And teakcake with the Captain Janeway avatar: Voyager can only wish it didn't have as many time travel and hollowdeck episodes not mention the very worst of ST Trek, the dreaded Threshold episode where some of the crew evolve into giant salamanders and mate.

I will defend Threshold until my gills dry out.

I only wish it had been me in that mud pool with Salamander Janeway

Who had the most holodeck episodes of all the holodeck series? I don't mean eps where some character is in it for a brief scene for color but episodes that primarily take place on the holodeck or are about the holodeck malfunctioning. While I've always bashed holodeck episodes there were some very good ones in both VOY and DS9. I'm very fuzzy on TNG ones as its my least watched series so I can't comment there.

As to time travel, I love time travel and I will take as much as Trek can give me. No complaints there.

arthur2sheds · November 17 2012, 11:44 AM

Kelthaz wrote:

Babylon 5:

I never much cared for The Shadows. Felt too much like something out of Lord of the Rings rather than a science fiction show. The Dominion worked much better.

Babylon 5 WAS The Lord of the Rings in space, thats why it worked so well.

teacake · November 17 2012, 12:10 PM

I was a LOTR nerd in high school, read the trilogy quite a few times. But I love Babylon 5 far more. Sure the story itself is not as tight, not as complete, not as perfectly explained, the show is like a diorama compared to the LOTR films. But the Bab 5 universe is endlessly fascinating in a way LOTR is not. Also, it contains real women!

Mage · November 18 2012, 10:30 AM

The problem with a great plot is, if your storytellers aren't so good, the plot can suffer. And at times, the bad acting made B5 a pain to me. Then again, Peter Jurasik and Andreas Katsulis (spelling???) made up for some of that quite well.

The Shadows really were nothing more then evil baddies for the sake of being evil. Unfortunatly, after a while, so was the Dominion. What started out as a great concept (a UFP but different, more of a dictatorship) quickly turned towards something more one-dimensional as wel. The idea was to have different races on the bridges of Dominion ships, all subject races to the Founders, making sure that by ruling them, these races could never hurt them. The Founders ruled the Dominion out of fear of being ruled themselves.
The Shadows.... well, some people just want to watch the world burn.

And that works great for a movie-villian (The Dark Knight), but as a basis for a serial villian that needs to work for two or three seasons... pretty difficult. JMS made that up by having the Shadows having bad-ass ships and plotting behind the scenes, but their overall motivation (aswell as the motivation for the Vorlons) was lacking, I feel. Perhaps I had hoped for something more grand.

View Poll Results: Babylon 5 and Deep Space Nine match up
Babylon 5 has a better Plot	46	74.19%
Deep Space Nine has a better Plot	17	27.42%
Babylon 5 has a better Cast	23	37.10%
Deep Space Nine has a better Cast	42	67.74%
Babylon 5 has a better Commander (John Sheridan)	25	40.32%
Deep Space Nine has a better Commander (Benjamin Sisko)	38	61.29%
Babylon 5 has a better set of villains (The Shadows)	39	62.90%
Deep Space Nine has a better set of villains (The Dominion)	26	41.94%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 62. You may not vote on this poll

November 16 2012, 05:03 PM	#32
DeepSpaceWine Commander	Re: Babylon 5 vs Deep Space Nine I'm detecting a lot of negativity on these B5 threads for certain Star Trek series...

November 16 2012, 05:20 PM	#33
Relayer1 Fleet Captain Location: The Black Country, England	Re: Babylon 5 vs Deep Space Nine B5 was a tremendous achievement and certainly had the best bad guys, but lost out heavily in all the other areas. With notable exceptions Andreas Katsulas and Peter Jurassik, the cast ranged from plain embarrassing to barely adequate and just doesn't compare. I'd be more than happy for JMS to bring it back, but it doesn't compare to DS9. __________________ Soon oh soon the light, Pass within and soothe this endless night, And wait here for you, Our reason to be here...

November 17 2012, 04:52 AM	#34
EmoBorg Commander Location: Leela's Home Planet	Re: Babylon 5 vs Deep Space Nine I prefer B5 plot over DS9 plot anytime. I voted for B5 Cast because of Andreas Katsulas and Peter Jurasik acting. Their acting alone compensated for the few others bad acting in the series. Sheridan and Sisko were a close fight but in the end i voted for Sheridan because i am more familiar with him. The Shadows as the villains were far more interesting. The Dominion were nothing more than run of the mill villains who fought others because they saw them as threats. The Shadows were hardcore Social Darwinist who practiced what they preached. A far more interesting antagonist. Last edited by EmoBorg; November 17 2012 at 05:41 AM.

November 17 2012, 12:10 PM	#37
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Babylon 5 vs Deep Space Nine I was a LOTR nerd in high school, read the trilogy quite a few times. But I love Babylon 5 far more. Sure the story itself is not as tight, not as complete, not as perfectly explained, the show is like a diorama compared to the LOTR films. But the Bab 5 universe is endlessly fascinating in a way LOTR is not. Also, it contains real women! __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

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November 18 2012, 10:30 AM	#38
Mage Fleet Captain	Re: Babylon 5 vs Deep Space Nine The problem with a great plot is, if your storytellers aren't so good, the plot can suffer. And at times, the bad acting made B5 a pain to me. Then again, Peter Jurasik and Andreas Katsulis (spelling???) made up for some of that quite well. The Shadows really were nothing more then evil baddies for the sake of being evil. Unfortunatly, after a while, so was the Dominion. What started out as a great concept (a UFP but different, more of a dictatorship) quickly turned towards something more one-dimensional as wel. The idea was to have different races on the bridges of Dominion ships, all subject races to the Founders, making sure that by ruling them, these races could never hurt them. The Founders ruled the Dominion out of fear of being ruled themselves. The Shadows.... well, some people just want to watch the world burn. And that works great for a movie-villian (The Dark Knight), but as a basis for a serial villian that needs to work for two or three seasons... pretty difficult. JMS made that up by having the Shadows having bad-ass ships and plotting behind the scenes, but their overall motivation (aswell as the motivation for the Vorlons) was lacking, I feel. Perhaps I had hoped for something more grand. __________________ Niner. Lurker. Browncoat.