Celebrity paradoxes

[Therin of Andor]

T'Girl wrote:

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One indication that Ms. Robinson doesn't live in our "real" universe would be the spacecraft model on display in her work area.

She also has a little collectible statue of a Talosian.

ENT has the episode, told by T'Pol about her ancestor who invented Velcro, and references Lucille Ball - who would be crucial in the sale of the "Star Trek" show to Desliu, and whose son-in-law looks like Sybok with rounded ears.

[t_smitts]

Therin of Andor wrote:

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She also has a little collectible statue of a Talosian.

ENT has the episode, told by T'Pol about her ancestor who invented Velco, and references Lucille Ball - who would be crucial in the sale of the "Star Trek" show to Desliu, and whose son-in-law looks like Sybok with rounded ears.

Indeed. One wonders what Lucy was doing with her production company in the mid-60's.

Admittedly, the Talosians, with their enlarged heads and slender, frail bodies do look like the stereotypical "aliens".

[T'Girl]

Nerys Myk wrote:

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No two legacy displays are the same. There are always "omissions" in every display.

And the NX-01 appeared in none of them until after the Enterprise E return to the 24th century, after the events of FC.

It wasn't just missing from a few.

[Greg Cox]

T'Girl wrote:

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Other than Washington, Lincoln and FDR, we don't know who the American Presidents were in the Star Trek universe. After the events of the Eugenics War, would Obama for example have been elected to the Senate or the White House?

Clinton doesn't get nearly enough credit for the way he handled the Eugenics Wars.

[CommanderRaytas]

E-DUB wrote:

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In a "hardware" variation of this idea; Kirk's Enterprise was supposedly named after Archer's NX-01. The NX-01 was named for the Space Shuttle Enterprise, it was even followed by an NX-02, Colombia. And, as we all know, the Space Shuttle Enterprise was named for the fictional ship "Enterprise" from Stare Trek.

Round and round the mulberry bush.......................


I blame time travelers.

Timey-wimey, wibbly-wobbly etc.

[Nerys Myk]

T'Girl wrote:

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And the NX-01 appeared in none of them until after the Enterprise E return to the 24th century, after the events of FC.

It wasn't just missing from a few.

Its a series of TV shows/films. How can a ship created for a an iteration of the show created in 2001 appear in earlier iterations? The NX-01 omissions in older versions of Star Trek has nothing to do with the E's time trip. Does the XCV 330s omission from all legacy displays after TMP mean it ceases to exist?

[E-DUB]

I've always believed that in the original time-line, Archer's NX-01 was the "Dauntless" and, as suggested upthread that the actions of Picard, et al, altered that fact. (Even wrote a story to that effect once.)

[Nerys Myk]

Why make it something other than the Enterprise? I don't get that mindset. Continuity is always evolving. New ideas and concepts are introduced, often filling in blank spots. By introducing the XCV 330, TMP opened to door for other starships named Enterprise. In the 200 years between First Contact and TOS there could have been several ships named Enterprise. We know of two for sure.

I'm also of the opinion that the events of FC always happened. Picard and the E were always there and meant to be there. There was no alternate timeline.

[King Daniel]

As I recently said in another thread, pretending Enterprise an alternate timeline makes it entirely pointless as a prequel. Why show the first Human/Vulcan hybrid if not to forshadow Spock? Why show the beginnings of the Federation if it's not meant to be the Federation we all know and love but some weird alternate version? Why have Brent Spiner playing Arik Soong if not to foreshadow his various TNG characters? Why explain the Klingon forehead thing if not to set up the Klingons as seen in The Original Series?

[E-DUB]

But "Enterprise" as an altered timeline is at least implicit in part of its premise, the "Temporal cold war". I believe that were it not for the mechinations of "Future Guy" and other factions the events of Archer's era would have flowed into Kirk's era as we've seen it, not maybe not as much.

[Nerys Myk]

E-DUB wrote:

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But "Enterprise" as an altered timeline is at least implicit in part of its premise, the "Temporal cold war". I believe that were it not for the mechinations of "Future Guy" and other factions the events of Archer's era would have flowed into Kirk's era as we've seen it, not maybe not as much.

Nope, the TCW is just a plot device. It doesn't change the path of history from leading to TOS. If anything the TCW front in Archers era has to lead to TOS. If those events didn't happen, then TOS wouldn't exist as we know it. As King Daniel pointed out, a prequel that doesn't lead into TOS is pointless.

[The Keeper]

^I remember the TMBs [edit: Trek Message Boards] at ST.COM back in the early 2000's, anyone ballsy enough to suggest the TCW lead to TOS would be totally ignored or ridiculed to shame.

Anyone else remember this line from an ENTERPRISE promo spot:

"This is how the Star Trek saga begins!"

[Nerys Myk]

TMBs?

[King Daniel]

E-DUB wrote:

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But "Enterprise" as an altered timeline is at least implicit in part of its premise, the "Temporal cold war". I believe that were it not for the mechinations of "Future Guy" and other factions the events of Archer's era would have flowed into Kirk's era as we've seen it, not maybe not as much.

I think they kind of used the TCW as a handwave to explain away some of the retcons they made.

But then saw Daniels' idea of "correct" history in "Azati Prime" - where this Delphic Expanse (which we'd never previously heard of or seen in any chronologically later Treks) had grown to encompass most of the Alpha Quadrant. Then the NX-01 crew destroyed the Expanse a few episodes later and the next season began piling on the direct prequels. So I think, looking back on Enterprise, that it's the stuff that happened in the Temporal Cold War and those changes made that created the timeline seen in TOS/TNG and the rest.

[The Keeper]

Nerys Myk wrote:

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TMBs?

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