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Old November 16 2012, 05:03 AM   #181
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Instead of (a) national flag(s), they could just keep it simple and use burning crosses.
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Old November 16 2012, 05:48 AM   #182
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Well, as a Southerner, I feel obligated now to point the finger North for a moment, cuz it's gettin freaky up in Maine now.
Fun to watch people make shit up. First he said there were "dozens", then in the same interview said it was "hundreds".

Maybe I'm weird? But I just don't get upset over a candidate losing. If Romney had won, I'd have had the same family, the same issues and the same bills when I woke up on Wednesday morning as I did on Tuesday night.

These Conservatives collecting welfare just have too much time on their hands.
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Old November 16 2012, 06:36 AM   #183
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Talking a few people the other day, mentioned that if Tennessee was brain-dead enough to seceded that I'd pack up the family and move up north. Got called a "traitor to the southern people", I said "thank you". I've got people now refusing to talk to me unless I sign the petition and agree to support "The New Confederacy"-- granted, that just reduced the stupid in my life quite a bit.

I can guarantee there's a few good 'ole boys stroking off to the idea of a new Confederacy.
Damn, you're around Chattanooga or Athens or something right? I've not heard anything about this and I'm pretty sure most folks I know would laugh at the idea.
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Old November 16 2012, 12:09 PM   #184
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Talking a few people the other day, mentioned that if Tennessee was brain-dead enough to seceded that I'd pack up the family and move up north. Got called a "traitor to the southern people", I said "thank you". I've got people now refusing to talk to me unless I sign the petition and agree to support "The New Confederacy"-- granted, that just reduced the stupid in my life quite a bit.

I can guarantee there's a few good 'ole boys stroking off to the idea of a new Confederacy.
Damn, you're around Chattanooga or Athens or something right? I've not heard anything about this and I'm pretty sure most folks I know would laugh at the idea.
Yeppers. Largely, community wise, I don't think many people care and/or think it's stupid to begin with--even the Righties; but the "good ole' boys" are loving it. You know the type: UT Football, guns, big trucks, and God-- in that order.
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Old November 16 2012, 02:27 PM   #185
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Re: Louisiana petitions Obama for secession.

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Same places they do now? Why do you assume that relations between America an the newly sovereign states would be acrimonious?

While no State has ever left the country, some American territories have left to form new nations, and they continue to have quite good relations with America.
They did so with consent.

That's the issue right here and why it might be acrimonious.
Even so, I can only think of 2 territories who left to become nations. Philippines and Cuba. We're 50/50 there.
Cuba never actually was a territory, so it might just be the Philippines.
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Old November 16 2012, 02:57 PM   #186
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Damn, you're around Chattanooga or Athens or something right? I've not heard anything about this and I'm pretty sure most folks I know would laugh at the idea.
Yeppers. Largely, community, wise I don't think many people care and/or think it's stupid to begin with--even the Righties; but the "good ole' boys" are loving it. You know the type: UT Football, guns, big trucks, and God-- in that order.
At least their first priority is right though.
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Old November 16 2012, 04:23 PM   #187
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If they want to act like children, they should be treated like children.
In time all (well most) children mature and leave the home they grew up in, they strike out into the world and do the best they can.

Many prosper in this venture.

I guess you have to rely on second-hand accounts for your metaphors.
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Old November 16 2012, 05:55 PM   #188
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countries are not people. that comparison is pointless.
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Old November 16 2012, 06:14 PM   #189
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So whoever started the poll is unhappy with the federal government spending a negative amount of their money on socialism?
Socialism?

Their definition of socialism obviously does not match mine...or the one in my thesaurus.
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Old November 16 2012, 07:31 PM   #190
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Will they leave peacefully if they don't get to take all that land in their state that is owned by the federal government when they go?
And just so we're clear, were you referring to public land there?

Why would public lands in Louisianna that are current being administered by the American federal government, continued to be administered that government after those lands are no longer in America?

And after the Spanish-American war, I believe Cuba was a territory for a small number of years. Or was it a possession?

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Old November 16 2012, 07:39 PM   #191
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If the south seceded successfully, it'd be the Christian equivalent of places like Iran--and that'd be a best case. And what happens in 4 years, they ask to be let back into the Union if a white Republican wins the White House.

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Damn, you're around Chattanooga or Athens or something right? I've not heard anything about this and I'm pretty sure most folks I know would laugh at the idea.
Yeppers. Largely, community, wise I don't think many people care and/or think it's stupid to begin with--even the Righties; but the "good ole' boys" are loving it. You know the type: UT Football, guns, big trucks, and God-- in that order.
At least their first priority is right though.
You're one of them! Holds up a picture of Coach Dooley, back, back I say!

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Considering Louisiana was purchased from the french, I think if they want to secede they should pay fare market value for the land.
Is there a discount for water damage?
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Old November 16 2012, 09:18 PM   #192
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Re: Louisiana petitions Obama for secession.

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Will they leave peacefully if they don't get to take all that land in their state that is owned by the federal government when they go?
And just so we're clear, were you referring to public land there?

Why would public lands in Louisianna that are current being administered by the American federal government, continued to be administered that government after those lands are no longer in America?

And after the Spanish-American war, I believe Cuba was a territory for a small number of years. Or was it a possession?

Federal lands don't belong to the state in which they are situated, they belong to all Americans. If a state wishes to secede and take their federally-owned land with them, they'll have to purchase it from the federal government at a fair market price.
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Old November 17 2012, 12:38 AM   #193
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Re: Louisiana petitions Obama for secession.

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Why would public lands in Louisianna that are current being administered by the American federal government, continued to be administered that government after those lands are no longer in America?
Because they are not and have never been owned by the state of Louisiana. It belongs either to the United States or the people of the United States collectively (pick your preference).

And after the Spanish-American war, I believe Cuba was a territory for a small number of years. Or was it a possession?
As a condition of declaration of war against Spain, Congress passed the Teller Amendment, which prohibited annexation of Cuba. After the war, the United States occupied Cuba until 1902 and then turned control over to the Cuban government with the exception of a naval base at Guantanamo Bay, which is rented in perpetuity. The United States did exercise the ability to veto decisions of the Cuban government, though, but there weren't US troops and we never claimed to own Cuba.
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Old November 17 2012, 03:45 AM   #194
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Alidar, I have a platonic crush on you! Or maybe it's just your mind. I love reading your arguments.

You are going to be GREAT in a courtroom! The judges will love your supporting arguments.
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Old November 17 2012, 03:53 AM   #195
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Will they leave peacefully if they don't get to take all that land in their state that is owned by the federal government when they go?
And just so we're clear, were you referring to public land there?

Why would public lands in Louisianna that are current being administered by the American federal government, continued to be administered that government after those lands are no longer in America?
They were purchased by the Federal Government. Why would they belong to Louisiana?
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