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Old November 16 2012, 01:22 AM   #76
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Re: Constitution, Miranda, and Constelation Class

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...Or the normal BRIGHT spots to mark portholes.

In that violation of a screencap, e.g. the blue shuttlebay doors have lost their telltale hue, too. Were they absent from the Stargazer until she turned her flank toward the camera?

This is our absolute best view of the ship's bow, and the top torp deck area is in such shadow that darker central rectangles may be present just as well as absent:

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...tle_hd_149.jpg

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this is a better-lit image
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...tle_hd_429.jpg
Doesn't look like there is any photon hardware but as blssdwlf said, could be doors. Could be that Constellations had them when they were new but the launcher guts were removed as the tech obsolesced and the space repurposed.
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Old November 16 2012, 03:27 AM   #77
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We know from the episode, "The Battle", that the Stargazer had fired six photon torpedoes. Maybe the launcher bay had doors that would open when the torps were fired?
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Old November 16 2012, 03:36 AM   #78
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Awesome find BK613. Yeah there really are two options:

1. The launchers are in the saucer, like the TOS Enterprise or
2. The launchers are where the TMP Enterprise-like structures are and they have doors covering them. They seem narrower than the TMP Enterprise launcher section though...
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Old November 16 2012, 04:44 AM   #79
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Re: Constitution, Miranda, and Constelation Class

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Awesome find BK613. Yeah there really are two options:

1. The launchers are in the saucer, like the TOS Enterprise or
2. The launchers are where the TMP Enterprise-like structures are and they have doors covering them. They seem narrower than the TMP Enterprise launcher section though...
^^ 3. The replacement torp launchers are those nifty little cylinders on the crossbars right above/below the TMP ones. (forgot about the 6 torps fired in "The Battle" )
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Old November 16 2012, 09:15 AM   #80
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There are also those small squarish fixtures at the upper corners of the bow shuttlebay - properly visible basically only in that Picard Maneuver image. They look like phaser emitters, but they aren't painted yellow. Proper size for a torp tube..

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Old November 16 2012, 01:31 PM   #81
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There are also those small squarish fixtures at the upper corners of the bow shuttlebay - properly visible basically only in that Picard Maneuver image. They look like phaser emitters, but they aren't painted yellow. Proper size for a torp tube..

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Perhaps, although if those features are around the other doors...
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Old November 16 2012, 02:05 PM   #82
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AFAIK, there were no Reliant's to fire torpedoes in DS9.
Memory Alpha shows at least one (CGI) Miranda firing forward torps from the usual place, although I can't place the shot in any specific episode. And "What You Leave Behind" has the cute scene of one poor Miranda desperately dodging and weaving, under pursuit from a Breen ship, and IIRC firing at least one aft torpedo before the Breen turns away and retreats to defend Cardassia Prime.

Constitution = Cruiser
Miranda = Frigate
Constellation = Destroyer
The Constellation is a "star cruiser" in "Peak Performance"...

The Miranda is never anything verbally, not even "Miranda".

Perhaps, although if those features are around the other doors...
...Then they are tractor beams, plain and simple.

The Miranda has similar things on the upper corners of her bays, but those are in triangular rather than square indentations.

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Old November 16 2012, 02:29 PM   #83
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@Timo - That's what I get for typing too fast

"AFAIK, there were no Reliant's to fire torpedoes in DS9 that fired from the saucer ventral section."

@BK613 - Yeah - the torp launchers could be anywhere on the Constellation class.
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Old November 16 2012, 03:46 PM   #84
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Re: Constitution, Miranda, and Constelation Class

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Timo wrote: View Post
...Or the normal BRIGHT spots to mark portholes.

In that violation of a screencap, e.g. the blue shuttlebay doors have lost their telltale hue, too. Were they absent from the Stargazer until she turned her flank toward the camera?

This is our absolute best view of the ship's bow, and the top torp deck area is in such shadow that darker central rectangles may be present just as well as absent:

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...tle_hd_149.jpg

Timo Saloniemi
this is a better-lit image
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...tle_hd_429.jpg
Doesn't look like there is any photon hardware but as blssdwlf said, could be doors. Could be that Constellations had them when they were new but the launcher guts were removed as the tech obsolesced and the space repurposed.
Umm, look at the image again, the torp deck is at the bottom of the lower pylon, right there, same as the Conny refit type.
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Old November 16 2012, 04:29 PM   #85
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Re: Constitution, Miranda, and Constelation Class

The structure is there, but there are also defininitely covers
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Old November 16 2012, 06:50 PM   #86
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Re: Constitution, Miranda, and Constelation Class

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Timo wrote: View Post
...Or the normal BRIGHT spots to mark portholes.

In that violation of a screencap, e.g. the blue shuttlebay doors have lost their telltale hue, too. Were they absent from the Stargazer until she turned her flank toward the camera?

This is our absolute best view of the ship's bow, and the top torp deck area is in such shadow that darker central rectangles may be present just as well as absent:

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...tle_hd_149.jpg

Timo Saloniemi
this is a better-lit image
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x...tle_hd_429.jpg
Doesn't look like there is any photon hardware but as blssdwlf said, could be doors. Could be that Constellations had them when they were new but the launcher guts were removed as the tech obsolesced and the space repurposed.
Umm, look at the image again, the torp deck is at the bottom of the lower pylon, right there, same as the Conny refit type.
The structure being referred to is visible here (large image):

http://www.mutara.net/Christies/deta...A/IMG_2041.JPG
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Old November 16 2012, 07:19 PM   #87
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Re: Constitution, Miranda, and Constelation Class

Below the launchers, there are the letters, "EOC".

1.) Were these letters originally on the model, or were they added later?
2.) What could be the meaning of these letters?

Honestly, for a professional model making firm, I expected a better looking model in close-up.
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Old November 16 2012, 10:18 PM   #88
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Well, 33 years ago, it looked great! It's just the wear and tear of packing and unpacking, repainting, and handling over the years has done a number on it. Plus I doubt many of the materials and paints used were meant to last that long.
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Old November 17 2012, 07:59 PM   #89
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Just look around on http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org
The Constellations have two TMP style photorp launchers each just underneath the horizontal nacelle pylons, every version of the ship has those even the yellow desktop model.
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Old November 17 2012, 08:07 PM   #90
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Yes - and you can see those structures completely covered up indicating no launchers there.

We've come up with different possibilities:
1. The torpedo launchers are shuttered with a flush door.
2. The launchers are somewhere else on the ship.
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