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Old November 16 2012, 04:34 AM   #76
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Old November 16 2012, 12:11 PM   #77
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So I've watched the first part of the pilot last night, I didn't have time to watch the whole thing, unfortunately. That's why I haven't read lurok's review yet.

Some first thoughts:

- What's with these people's language?! I felt quite disoriented during the first 15 minutes because of it. And why are the Chinese(?) bits not sub-titled?

- I feel the actor who plays the captain looks a bit too young and too shiny to be a convincing grumpy, disillusioned captain and to call the Doctor "boy".

- I had quite some laughs, but some of the humorous bits rubbed me the wrong way. "Kaylee is dead". Har har.

- I do hope the characters will develop beyond the stereotypes they appear to represent in the first 1.5 hours, e.g. the whore, the priest, the nerd, the comedic sociopath…

- I love the feel of the ship, people having to climb ladders and stuff.

- On a superficial note: I think the Doctor is cute.

I don’t sound too enthusiastic, do I?
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Old November 16 2012, 12:58 PM   #78
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The language: "it is a future where the only two surviving superpowers, the United States and China, fused to form the central federal government, called the Alliance, resulting in the fusion of the two cultures." Chinese influence abounds in design, swear words, food and other cultural clutter. You can find translations for the Chinese words online.

I find the pilot is at it's best after you watch the whole series, the opening battle scenes are tightly woven into things to come.

Inara is an interesting character and I'm convinced (from subtle things to come) that her story is a sad one and she's doing the best she can. I always assume she is faking it as far as the sex goes. One thing I notice in Serenity the pilot is that when her customer asks after her world she is gripping her fingers in tension:



Being a highly trained professional it seems this lapse, though unseen by the doofus she is in bed with, is rather telling.

I think it's a great pilot because it introduces so many elements to what is to come as well as showcasing each character rather well.

My favorite bit is where Simon is holding the agent at gunpoint but utterly freaked and Mal just rides up and shoots the dude



Firefly's grease is all attitude, that's pretty much in every scene. It grows on you.



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Old November 16 2012, 01:54 PM   #79
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The language: "it is a future where the only two surviving superpowers, the United States and China, fused to form the central federal government, called the Alliance, resulting in the fusion of the two cultures." Chinese influence abounds in design, swear words, food and other cultural clutter. You can find translations for the Chinese words online.
It's not so much the Chinese but the English language that is confusing to me as a non-native English speaker. These people use strange words and at times the grammar seems messed up.
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Old November 16 2012, 01:58 PM   #80
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... "it is a future where the only two surviving superpowers, the United States and China...
I wasn't even sure they were Terrans.

My favorite bit is where Simon is holding the agent at gunpoint but utterly freaked and Mal just rides up and shoots the dude
Admittedly that was good.
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Old November 16 2012, 02:15 PM   #81
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The language: "it is a future where the only two surviving superpowers, the United States and China, fused to form the central federal government, called the Alliance, resulting in the fusion of the two cultures." Chinese influence abounds in design, swear words, food and other cultural clutter. You can find translations for the Chinese words online.
It's not so much the Chinese but the English language that is confusing to me as a non-native English speaker. These people use strange words and at times the grammar seems messed up.
True, there's plenty of new vocabulary. It's a long time into our future after a lot of wars and degeneration and expansion and melting pot. Probably if this was real we couldn't even understand them.

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... "it is a future where the only two surviving superpowers, the United States and China...
I wasn't even sure they were Terrans.
They refer to Earth as Earth-that-was. If humans still live there its exact location is long lost. It's remembered as their origin planet.

Unlike BSG though no one is looking for it
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Old November 16 2012, 02:24 PM   #82
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So which Earth is Earth-That-Is, and which is Earth-That-Will-Be?
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Old November 16 2012, 02:29 PM   #83
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I don't think anything is called earth, or new earth.

Earth-That-Was was the original home of all humans. A series of events led to the mass exodus of Earth's population, A great fleet left Earth founding a new civilization in a new star system. Many of the facts about "Earth-That-Was" have been lost to the pages of history.
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I was also a tad confused because I was convinced Inara was non-human. It's not just the superficial exotic thing either. Something about her character...Although that might also be my subconscious desire to see Baccarin play a Vulcan, Rommie or vampire.
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So I've watched the first part of the pilot last night, I didn't have time to watch the whole thing, unfortunately. That's why I haven't read lurok's review yet.

Some first thoughts:

- What's with these people's language?! I felt quite disoriented during the first 15 minutes because of it. And why are the Chinese(?) bits not sub-titled?

- I feel the actor who plays the captain looks a bit too young and too shiny to be a convincing grumpy, disillusioned captain and to call the Doctor "boy".

- I had quite some laughs, but some of the humorous bits rubbed me the wrong way. "Kaylee is dead". Har har.

- I do hope the characters will develop beyond the stereotypes they appear to represent in the first 1.5 hours, e.g. the whore, the priest, the nerd, the comedic sociopath…

- I love the feel of the ship, people having to climb ladders and stuff.

- On a superficial note: I think the Doctor is cute.

I don’t sound too enthusiastic, do I?
These mirror many of my first impressions as well. I think Nathan works as the captain, though. "Kaylee is dead" didn't cause me to laugh and it made the crew look mean. "Boy," wasn't necessary. My favorite character would probably be Simon (the Doctor), but not by much because I ended up really liking them all. By the end of the 14 episodes, they still are a little stereotypical, but they work.

The language is a bit jarring/disorienting at first, but you get used to it. It's an odd mangle of old American Western English and, I believe, Mandarin Chinese. I think when I watched the DVD special thing, they said that the two big powers in the future spoke English/Chinese and so that's what everyone grows up learning to speak. It would have been nice to get subtitles, but what's said in Chinese is supposed to be negligible.
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Old November 16 2012, 04:34 PM   #86
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It's not so much the Chinese but the English language that is confusing to me as a non-native English speaker. These people use strange words and at times the grammar seems messed up.
The wording is a bit twisty at times. It takes some getting used to. I imagine that might be even more difficult for a non-native speaker.

Don't rely on the subtitles on the DVD, by the way. They get a lot of things wrong. For instances, in a later episode the line "Gorramit, Mal!" (which is basically a swearr) is subtitled as "You're a rabbit, Mal!"
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Old November 16 2012, 07:55 PM   #87
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I was also a tad confused because I was convinced Inara was non-human.
I thought the exact same thing. There was something quite surreal about her encoounter with that customer.

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It would have been nice to get subtitles, but what's said in Chinese is supposed to be negligible.
I found an online Firefly dictionary, so I can now swear in Chinese.

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Don't rely on the subtitles on the DVD, by the way. They get a lot of things wrong. For instances, in a later episode the line "Gorramit, Mal!" (which is basically a swearr) is subtitled as "You're a rabbit, Mal!"
Thanks, for the warning. I'll keep that in mind.
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So which Earth is Earth-That-Is, and which is Earth-That-Will-Be?
I'll be in the car.
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It would have been nice to get subtitles, but what's said in Chinese is supposed to be negligible.
It's also usually quite rude, and occasionally filthy.
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Not always. Simon often calls River "mei-mei", or "little sister". What's consistent is that the meaning of the Mandarin can usually be intuited from context, or else doesn't matter.
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