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Old November 15 2012, 07:23 PM   #286
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Re: La-La Land to release 15-disc original series score set

Slates are all accurate. I never understood the placement, but they are accurate. I have all of the paperwork.

"Monster Illusion" is previously unreleased, and includes the female vocalist. This cue is also heard prominently in "This Side of Paradise".

And we sound so much better than the GNP album, it isn't funny.

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Old November 15 2012, 07:28 PM   #287
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I'm puzzled by the track numbers. On other sets, it seems that the first digit represents the act -- track M21 is the first cue in act 2, M22 is the second, and so on, with the teaser and act 1 going together. But here we've got first digits going up to 8 for "The Cage" and 6 for "Where No Man," even though they had 4-act structures back then.
I believe those numbers are similar to the numbers featured in the film soundtrack liner notes; corresponding to film reels(?), not to "acts" or anything like that.

EDIT: Oh, okay, slate numbers. I was close!
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Old November 15 2012, 07:32 PM   #288
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Regarding cue titles, the original cue sheets had lots and lots of typos. They may have been used for the GNP release. For our release we went back to the manuscripts and found the correct titles!

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Old November 15 2012, 07:42 PM   #289
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Slates are all accurate. I never understood the placement, but they are accurate. I have all of the paperwork.

"Monster Illusion" is previously unreleased, and includes the female vocalist. This cue is also heard prominently in "This Side of Paradise".

And we sound so much better than the GNP album, it isn't funny.

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Regarding cue titles, the original cue sheets had lots and lots of typos. They may have been used for the GNP release. For our release we went back to the manuscripts and found the correct titles!

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Old November 15 2012, 07:47 PM   #290
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And we sound so much better than the GNP album, it isn't funny.

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This is going to be a looonng three weeks to wait!!
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Old November 15 2012, 07:50 PM   #291
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"Monster Illusion" is previously unreleased, and includes the female vocalist.
Odd... the GNP label gives track 7 as "MONSTER ILLUSION 1:13."

Oh, but the combined times for "Probed," "Monster Illusion," "Monster Fight," and "The Kibitzers" is only 4:11 (not counting gaps between tracks, I think, since the times listed are consistently a bit shorter than those on the CD list), while the new listing gives a combined total of 5:40 for those. So maybe the GNP version of "Monster Illusion" is a partial cue. (I do wish these track listings would give individual timings for each separate cue in the combined tracks. It'd make it easier to sort this out.)

Oh, did they maybe leave out the part with the vocalist because of clearance issues?
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Old November 15 2012, 07:57 PM   #292
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Oh, but the combined times for "Probed," "Monster Illusion," "Monster Fight," and "The Kibitzers" is only 4:11 (not counting gaps between tracks, I think, since the times listed are consistently a bit shorter than those on the CD list), while the new listing gives a combined total of 5:40 for those. So maybe the GNP version of "Monster Illusion" is a partial cue. (I do wish these track listings would give individual timings for each separate cue in the combined tracks. It'd make it easier to sort this out.)

Oh, did they maybe leave out the part with the vocalist because of clearance issues?
To be clear, is "Monster Illusion" is the cue when Pike suddenly finds himself outside the Rigel fortress/Vina runs up to him?
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Old November 15 2012, 08:07 PM   #293
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To be clear, is "Monster Illusion" is the cue when Pike suddenly finds himself outside the Rigel fortress/Vina runs up to him?
Yes, all the way up to the start of the fight (which is the start of the next cue, "Monster Fight", see below).

Christopher, GNP titled the track incorrectly. What they call "Monster Illusion" was really "Monster Fight". Also, the times on that old album will not match this new one as the pitch was off on that release. Ours is correct.

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Old November 15 2012, 08:40 PM   #294
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Slates are all accurate. I never understood the placement, but they are accurate. I have all of the paperwork.

"Monster Illusion" is previously unreleased, and includes the female vocalist. This cue is also heard prominently in "This Side of Paradise".

And we sound so much better than the GNP album, it isn't funny.

Neil
That's the piece Christopher was looking for then, and thus track #5 with "Monster Illusion" is my single most anticipated piece on this set (among many mind you).

Happy happy, joy joy!

All the confusion doesn't surprise me, given that even my GNP CD is out of kilter in relation to track titles and order. Granted, it's pretty old now, but mine are all off by one track sometime early in The Cage's section. "Vina's Dance" is listed as "Torchy Girl" on my CD. It's messed up on both the paperwork (insert and case) and the disc's surface, as well as on any info the disc offers to players. I don't know if everybody's is as badly listed but I've often wondered what went wrong with that batch.
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Old November 15 2012, 08:45 PM   #295
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Okay... comparing to the GNP Crescendo album's track list, the only previously unreleased cues from "The Cage" are "Long Look" and "Who Was Eve?" (Plus a couple of title variances -- "Probing" was listed as "Probed" and "To Catch a T." as "To Catch a Talosian.") I'm a bit puzzled, because I thought the music for the Rigel Fortress establishing sequence was unreleased, and "Long Look" is in the wrong place to be that. Is my memory wrong?
Don't know about Long Look, but track 5 is about 30 seconds longer than on the GNP release.

From Jeff Bond:
"The big thing missing from the original "Cage" album was "Monster Illusion"--that's the throbbing siren song you hear just before Pike fights the big Viking guy on Rigel--and you hear it when Spock's being taken over by the spores in "This Side of Paradise" and other moments--one of Trek's most iconic pieces of music."

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Old November 15 2012, 09:29 PM   #296
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Just to clarify, the cue "Long Look" is the transition from Vina/Pike to the Landing Party on the surface about to fire the laser cannon at the knoll. There is an extant piece of tracked music earlier in the episode that is still on prints of The Cage that is actually from "The Man Trap" ("Dead Center", when Crater's body is found dead in sickbay... this irks me every time I see the first pilot because I know it's not supposed to be there, it was tracked in for The Menagerie Part II.)
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Old November 15 2012, 09:50 PM   #297
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To be clear, is "Monster Illusion" is the cue when Pike suddenly finds himself outside the Rigel fortress/Vina runs up to him?
Yes, all the way up to the start of the fight (which is the start of the next cue, "Monster Fight", see below).

Christopher, GNP titled the track incorrectly. What they call "Monster Illusion" was really "Monster Fight". Also, the times on that old album will not match this new one as the pitch was off on that release. Ours is correct.

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Fantastic!

I--like many--found its absence from the GNP album a major letdown, since the cue is one of the best remembered from the series.
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Old November 15 2012, 09:50 PM   #298
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Christopher, GNP titled the track incorrectly. What they call "Monster Illusion" was really "Monster Fight".
Okay, that's odd, since the GNP album does include a track called "Monster Fight" as well. The relevant tracks are listed on the LP as follows:

6. Probed 0:45
7. Monster Illusion 1:13
8. Monster Fight 1:37
9. The Kibitzers 0:36

From what Basill says, it's possible the CD listed the tracks differently than the LP did, because the LP lists "Torchy Girl" as only 12 seconds long, way too short to be "Vina's Dance" (which is the previous cue). Here's the full track list from the original LP edition (with typos included):

Side 1
1. Star Trek Theme (Main Title) 0:50
2. Doctor Bartender 1:16
3. Survivors 1:37
4. Prime Specimen 3:08
5. Bottled 1:46
6. Probed 0:45
7. Monster Illusion 1:13
8. Monster Fight 1:37
9. The Kibitzers 0:36
10. Vena's Punishment 1:44
11. Pike's Punishment 0:33
12. Picnic 2:09
13. True Love 1:17
14. Vena's Dance 1:49
15. Torchy Girl 0:12

Side 2
1. Under the Spell 0:26
2. Primitive Thoughts 0:24
3. Wrong Think 0:40
4. To Catch a T. 1:19*
5. Going Up 1:06
6. Max's Factor 2:04
7. Star Trek Theme (End Title) 1:29
"Where No Man Has Gone Before"
8. Main Title 0:14
9. Star Date 0:34
10. Episode Titles 1:18
11. Force Field 2:17
12. Silvery Orbs 1:49
13. Crippled Ship 0:53
14. Speedy Reader 0:50
15. Hit the Button 0:03
16. On Delta-Vega 0:37
17. When Your Eyes Have Turned to Silver 0:58
18. Instant Paradise 2:50
19. End Title and Credits 0:21
20. Additional Credits 0:20

*I was wrong before about it being spelled out as "To Catch a Talosian" -- that's how I wrote it on the insert card I typed up for reference. The track list was only printed on the LP's labels, not on the sleeve, so I needed to make my own list for reference while the album was playing. Evidently I assumed that the "T." was just an abbreviation to save space on the label, and filled in what I assumed the full title would be.

Basill, how does this compare to the track list on your CD edition?
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Old November 15 2012, 09:54 PM   #299
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All the confusion doesn't surprise me, given that even my GNP CD is out of kilter in relation to track titles and order. Granted, it's pretty old now, but mine are all off by one track sometime early in The Cage's section. "Vina's Dance" is listed as "Torchy Girl" on my CD. It's messed up on both the paperwork (insert and case) and the disc's surface, as well as on any info the disc offers to players. I don't know if everybody's is as badly listed but I've often wondered what went wrong with that batch.
Oh yes! I had to perform a double-take when I first played the CD version, and the insert listing & actual track titles did not match the play order. What a nightmare, especially when transferring to a player, and you were forced to correct each track name.

Thankfully, in 3 weeks, that old headache will be a thing of the past.
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Old November 15 2012, 09:55 PM   #300
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There is an extant piece of tracked music earlier in the episode that is still on prints of The Cage that is actually from "The Man Trap" ("Dead Center", when Crater's body is found dead in sickbay...
"Dead Crater"....the cue sheet had a typo.

Yes Christopher, I've gone back to the GNP, it's missing a good chunk of "Monster Illusion". We've got it all assembled properly as heard in the pilot. It's great!

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