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Old November 14 2012, 11:29 PM   #586
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Old November 15 2012, 06:15 AM   #587
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I think just Rick is the harbinger of death. The hilltop group was doing just fine until they brought Rick back.

Even before that, the group searching for provisions was put in extreme danger by helping Rick.
Walkers would have discovered the hilltop group at some time; they wander around until they "sense" the living, so that original camp was not going to last forever.

At the farm, only one person is responsible for the walker herd getting the upper hand: Shane. If shane did not spilt the group on a set up to kill Rick, imagine how a unified group would have handled that herd. Even if they had to flee, I doubt anyone would have dies, since no one would be waiting for others to show up/wonder if they were dead, etc.

So, I just do not see Rick being the agent of survivor misery, as one was fate, the other the end result of a psycho's master plan.
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Old November 15 2012, 06:18 AM   #588
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His hallucinatory state could then extend to the phone, assuming it's not the Verizon guy.
I had this sudden image of that guy running down the road with a phone, being pursued by zombies but stopping every few steps. "Can you hear me now? Good!"
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Old November 15 2012, 06:37 AM   #589
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I think that Rick's group is stronger than the Governor's group. The former group is more cohesive, more fluidic, and has greater endurance. The nature of this group lends itself to greater cooperation.
Yeah. Rick's group--when ignoring Shane--was run on trust. The Governor's is run on fear and unspoken threats, as you say:

Of the two, I say that Rick's group will out survive the Governor's group. From what little I understand of the comics, this is exactly what happened.
Who really trusts the Governor at all? "His" people seem to be sheep waiting for slaughter the moment the gaurds vanish, or another group gains the upper hand in a fight.
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Old November 15 2012, 04:07 PM   #590
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Did anyone get a chance to read the Governor's notes? I remember one line where he mentioned that crime had increased 20%.
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Old November 15 2012, 04:31 PM   #591
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Did anyone get a chance to read the Governor's notes? I remember one line where he mentioned that crime had increased 20%.
I wonder of it is real crime--or crime as he sees it in his "new order," which could be anything that walks out of step with his ultimate control...
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Old November 15 2012, 11:22 PM   #592
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I think he said something about "heads will roll."
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Old November 16 2012, 11:08 AM   #593
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Old November 16 2012, 04:32 PM   #594
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I read the notes (love my hd tv!) thought it was interesting.
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Old November 16 2012, 05:21 PM   #595
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In a population of less than 100 people that's been established for less than a year, you can't figure out things like realistic trends in crime rates.

Oh, you can count the numbers and make the charts — but one person could commit one crime and noticeably skew the numbers. So they don't mean much.

Unless you're paranoid.

No, I don't think we're talking real crimes here.
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Old November 16 2012, 07:18 PM   #596
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Or they're 'staged' things to give the Governor some cover for whatever he wants to do, keep the people a LITTLE on edge so he doesn't lose the fear that keeps him unquestioned in power, etc.
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Old November 16 2012, 08:09 PM   #597
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Right, but if they're staged, we're certainly not talking real crimes.

Even if they're real, the statistics have very little significance for the reasons I mentioned. In a community of that size, you're not going to say "crime rates are up 20%", you're going to say, "Joe stole a can of Spam." Same thing.

If you want to keep the people on edge, you don't report rising crime rates. You say, "Joe is no longer with us because he was plotting and had to be dealt with."

The only way the actual statistic numbers will be significant to the Governor is if he's both obsessive-compulsive and paranoid (which we agree is probably true). But the only way they'll have meaning to the people is if they're farther gone than he is (brainwashed, paranoid, drinking the Kool-Aid).

Otherwise when they hear a 20% increase, they'll just laugh and say, "Oh, you mean when Joe stole the Spam?" He couldn't keep any credibility spouting things like that.

So either these numbers are the Governor's private fantasy (which I believe is the case), or these people have serious mental issues.

Maybe Woodbury is the name of a psychiatric ward.
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Lori is dead. Dead in the comic. Dead on the show. Dead in interviews. Bloated walker gut full of Lori. End of story. Move on. Frankly, I'm gonna miss T-Dog more
Amen

And wouldn't it remove the power of that episode if she was still alive? No, doesn't make sense for them to slam us with a powerful episode and death like that, only to rip it away later and remove that emotion and make it invalid. It makes sense that she's dead, and the scene remains emotional, and powerful, and had meaning. It would be like a reset, and I hate resets.

She's dead.
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Old November 16 2012, 09:04 PM   #599
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She may be dead, but she could still be undead.
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Old November 16 2012, 09:08 PM   #600
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If it helps, the actress thinks she's done and have moved on. Not to say it's impossible to have someone else in zombie makeup, but why woud they when she'd be willing to do it herself.

She's done, let's not drag out crazy theories that we know are false. She was bleeding out, Carl shot her, zombie ate her. Pretty much end of the line there...
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