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Old November 1 2012, 11:15 AM   #16
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Re: One Thing That Seperates Star Trek: Deep Space Nine From Other Tre

I disagree that the "religious stuff" was mumbo-jumbo. I sort of don't mind religion when the gods are demonstrably real. And the really interesting aspect of the religious storyline was the intersection with Bajoran politics. I felt that the non-linear nature of the Prophets' existence fully justified and explained the pseudo-mystical nature of the prophecies, the "Emissary" plot line, etc.

Also we got a whole lot less of "blue team hates red team on planet of the week, away team in peril" bullshit, and a lot more fleshed out recurring characters.
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Old November 1 2012, 04:19 PM   #17
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Is: they fewer junk, throwaway episodes. Voyager had a few good ones, TNG had many like DS9. Still, the former had many, many, many very forgettable and dare I say many terrible episodes.

Seriously, I can count on 1 hand DS9's junk eps. I would need more phalanges to get Voyager and TNG (and TOS)
While I love DS9, I can count rather more junk episodes than that, mostly in the final season, between horrid shit like "Take Me Out to the Holosuite," and pretty much every episode involving Ezri Dax.
I love Take me OUt to the holosuite, it is one of my top favorites of the entire series
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Old November 1 2012, 06:10 PM   #18
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While I understand that "STAR TREK IS SERIOUS BUSINESS" and stuff, Take Me Out to the Holosuite is absolutely brilliant.
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Old November 1 2012, 06:24 PM   #19
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Ezri Dax is Best Dax.

I'm with you on "Take Me Out To the Holosuite," though. Maybe would have worked before the Dominion War, but not during. Also, baseball has no place.
Ironically, and I say that as a person who is not a sports fan by any measure, I liked "Take Me Out to the Holsuite". It provided a nice respite from the war stories. And it's the only time in my life I ever enjoyed watching a baseball game.

And I agree with you about Ezri. I liked her alot. I don't know if I liked her as much as I did Jadzia, but as long as we couldn't have Jadzia, Erzi was a perfectly acceptable replacement.
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Old November 1 2012, 06:47 PM   #20
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I disagree that the "religious stuff" was mumbo-jumbo. I sort of don't mind religion when the gods are demonstrably real. And the really interesting aspect of the religious storyline was the intersection with Bajoran politics. I felt that the non-linear nature of the Prophets' existence fully justified and explained the pseudo-mystical nature of the prophecies, the "Emissary" plot line, etc.

Also we got a whole lot less of "blue team hates red team on planet of the week, away team in peril" bullshit, and a lot more fleshed out recurring characters.
I had significant problems with the way this was executed. Especially when they started talking about "bajoran faith" or faith in general.

When your "gods" are scientifically proven to exist then it has nothing to do with faith. So when Kira says things like "You can't understand faith unless you have it" it rang really hollow to me.

I didn't like how the show seemed to almost pat itself on the back for depicting faith as an positive thing, but all the while it had nothing to do with actual faith. It seemed ridiculous that starfleet officers would continually take the attitude that the bajoran faith stuff was untrustworthy or hard to believe, when they themselves recognized the existence of the wormhole aliens and their ability to manipulate time/space.. There's nothing to have faith in there, it's all right there in front of them.

It's hard to really put into words what I'm trying to say, because I'm not very eloquent, but does anyone know what I mean?
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Old November 2 2012, 04:31 AM   #21
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Do you mean that they disputed the faith itself when there was nothing to dispute as the reality was completely scientific?

As if I had a friend who believed the mail came from the gods and instead of explaining to them that the mail comes from humans I said "I don't think I can swallow your faith".
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Old November 2 2012, 05:19 PM   #22
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The way to do the feligious mumbo jmbo is to make Sisko the focal point and give him something to lose. have Starfleet put down their foot when he starts takng the Emissary jazz so seriosly that he's giving Bajorans advice that contradicts Federation interests. Sisko has blind faith in the Prophets, but that faith should have been challenged.
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Old November 2 2012, 05:32 PM   #23
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I thought 'Take Me out, was pretty good for a holodeck episode. It wasn't Badda-Bing, but I did enjoy it...
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Old November 3 2012, 01:34 PM   #24
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The idea that the Prophets look out for Bajor and so should be trusted completely is still a leap of faith. Just because the Prophets are real and non-linear is not, in itself, a guarantee that the Bajorans faith in them is justified. However, as we learned over the course of the series (and the relaunch novels), it turns out their faith was justified after all.
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Old November 4 2012, 06:43 AM   #25
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I didn't want a respite.

I wanted machinations and death!
Well... too bad!

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Too much of it was waiting around on the station and hoping something interesting would happen.
See I was always in love with the station itself. I love the idea of living on a space station, would far rather live there than a starship. I like transitional spaces that are hubs. Airports, train stations.. DS9 was all that with aliens. So I was quite happy to hang out there with the vole problems and Quarks establishment and cargo holds and all kinds of folk passing through.
Same here. DS9 had more of that diversity I was looking for in a tale about a future where humanity has reached the stars. It's why I play STO, and why I'm almost always on DS9.
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Old November 4 2012, 07:27 AM   #26
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Don't tempt me with that STO!

And yes, the majority of the characters are not humans on DS9. This has a huge impact on the show, it generates so much extra creativity I think.
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Old November 15 2012, 01:00 AM   #27
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It also has a better storylines and.....not to mention ...Kira .
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Old November 15 2012, 01:55 AM   #28
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Religious mumbo-jumbo. Thats what separates DS9 from other Treks.
I don't agree with you on much, but I agree with this.
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Old November 16 2012, 08:35 PM   #29
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The Emperor's New Cloak is a pretty bad one, IMO. And the one where Quark dresses up like a woman.



The season finale of DS9 was heavy on the pseudo religious stuff. Fire caves (hell) Celestial temple (heaven) final showdown between good and evil....

I think they overdid it with all of that.
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Old November 17 2012, 02:27 AM   #30
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Too much of it was waiting around on the station and hoping something interesting would happen.
Hoping something interesting would happen on DS9, is like staring out your window at a torrential downpour and hoping that it would rain.

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