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Old November 11 2012, 10:23 PM   #16
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Re: How would other characters have handled the Kobyashi Maru test?

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But if he had to do it all over again... he would.
But only after erasing the log entry where he confessed to killing everyone.

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Old November 11 2012, 10:38 PM   #17
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Re: How would other characters have handled the Kobyashi Maru test?

It seems the test does assume that the cadet is going to violate the Neutral Zone to save the Kobyashi Maru. It'd be somewhat amusing to have a very officious, cautious cadet (perhaps non-human) who says, "I'm sorry. Under no circumstances will I violate the Neutral Zone," and just decides to move on, the stranded ship and its crew be damned.
This is brought up in the TOS novel "Kobayashi Maru," in which members of the Enterprise senior staff (Scotty, Sulu, Chekov, and Kirk) discuss how they each handled the test.

Miles O'Brien would try to modify the transporters to beam the Kobayashi Maru crew/passengers to his ship without entering the Neutral Zone. He'd fail and get stuck inside the simulator to be tortured by the Klingons for six simulated months.
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Old November 11 2012, 11:10 PM   #18
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Re: How would other characters have handled the Kobyashi Maru test?

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Enterprise *really* dropped the ball by not doing a Kobayashi Maru origin story, showing us Archer's Enterprise making the real rescue that inspired the test.

The post-series novels tried it (Archer retreated), but that book wasn't very good, and more interested in keeping continuity with 80's fan-made blueprints (where the Kobayashi Maru was an old refitted Klingon ship being used by human traders) than the series itself (where Human/Klingon first contact had only been a few years prior)
That was bizarrely lacking in drama. All the people hating on Archer and wanting a transfer etc.. for his decision just made no sense. It as quite a let down after the build up of that title.
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Old November 13 2012, 01:47 AM   #19
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Re: How would other characters have handled the Kobyashi Maru test?

^ For centuries to come, the general philosophy at the Starfleet Academy was "don't be an Archer."
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Old November 13 2012, 04:03 AM   #20
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Re: How would other characters have handled the Kobyashi Maru test?

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Enterprise *really* dropped the ball by not doing a Kobayashi Maru origin story, showing us Archer's Enterprise making the real rescue that inspired the test.

The post-series novels tried it (Archer retreated), but that book wasn't very good, and more interested in keeping continuity with 80's fan-made blueprints (where the Kobayashi Maru was an old refitted Klingon ship being used by human traders) than the series itself (where Human/Klingon first contact had only been a few years prior)
That was bizarrely lacking in drama. All the people hating on Archer and wanting a transfer etc.. for his decision just made no sense. It as quite a let down after the build up of that title.
Not having read the book, I'll have to take your word on it. I'm quick to jump Archer's case about a lot of things, but running away from that? Seems more smart than Suicide Saavik's last stand. Okay, you can't save the ship, save yours. I'd think that would be pretty early in the captain's instruction manual.
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Old November 13 2012, 04:17 AM   #21
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Re: How would other characters have handled the Kobyashi Maru test?

TiberiusMaximus wrote: View Post
It seems the test does assume that the cadet is going to violate the Neutral Zone to save the Kobyashi Maru. It'd be somewhat amusing to have a very officious, cautious cadet (perhaps non-human) who says, "I'm sorry. Under no circumstances will I violate the Neutral Zone," and just decides to move on, the stranded ship and its crew be damned.
This is brought up in the TOS novel "Kobayashi Maru," in which members of the Enterprise senior staff (Scotty, Sulu, Chekov, and Kirk) discuss how they each handled the test.
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Specifically, in the above stated novel, Sulu chhose to not violate the Neutral Zone.
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Old November 13 2012, 04:32 AM   #22
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Re: How would other characters have handled the Kobyashi Maru test?

Well, I wasn't gonna spoil it. But it's an old book so I guess it's okay.

Sulu's story was very well written, I thought. Of course, it wasn't quite as good as Scotty's...
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Old November 13 2012, 05:34 AM   #23
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Re: How would other characters have handled the Kobyashi Maru test?

Shawnster wrote: View Post
TiberiusMaximus wrote: View Post
It seems the test does assume that the cadet is going to violate the Neutral Zone to save the Kobyashi Maru. It'd be somewhat amusing to have a very officious, cautious cadet (perhaps non-human) who says, "I'm sorry. Under no circumstances will I violate the Neutral Zone," and just decides to move on, the stranded ship and its crew be damned.
This is brought up in the TOS novel "Kobayashi Maru," in which members of the Enterprise senior staff (Scotty, Sulu, Chekov, and Kirk) discuss how they each handled the test.
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Specifically, in the above stated novel, Sulu chhose to not violate the Neutral Zone.

yup. And I liked his "solution" the best. If I'm looking at the situation objectively, it smells like a trap. And even if it's not, the benefit of rescuing a small crew doesn't outweigh the cost of risking your ship or even worse, starting a war.
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Old November 13 2012, 07:08 AM   #24
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Re: How would other characters have handled the Kobyashi Maru test?

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Elias Vaughn;7239979[/quote wrote:
But if he had to do it all over again... he would.
But only after erasing the log entry where he confessed to killing everyone.
Because he can live with it.

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This is brought up in the TOS novel "Kobayashi Maru," in which members of the Enterprise senior staff (Scotty, Sulu, Chekov, and Kirk) discuss how they each handled the test.
I bet Chekov screamed.
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Old November 13 2012, 06:58 PM   #25
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Well, I wasn't gonna spoil it. But it's an old book so I guess it's okay.

Sulu's story was very well written, I thought. Of course, it wasn't quite as good as Scotty's...
Scotty's was my favourite, too. IIRC, Simon Pegg referenced it in his Scotty biography he posted on his site a while back.
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