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Old November 11 2012, 08:25 PM   #16
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Re: Thine Own Self mistake?

She sounds as though she knows taking the exam makes her a commander by rank.
Yeah, emphasis on the pronoun. Taking the same exam might make Nurse Ogawa a Lieutenant (j.g.), or Captain M'Benga a Commodore.

So, in other words, Chief Engineer Logan needs to STFU.
Picard listened to advice from his juniors. No reason LaForge should refuse advice from his seniors, from Logan's POV...

But yeah, Logan ought to know that there's no way LaForge could give up the command and turn it over to Logan. LaForge would stand trial for dereliction of duty in that case.

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Old November 12 2012, 12:04 AM   #17
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She sounds as though she knows taking the exam makes her a commander by rank.
Yeah, emphasis on the pronoun. Taking the same exam might make Nurse Ogawa a Lieutenant (j.g.), or Captain M'Benga a Commodore.
However, It also was made to sound like Dr. Crusher had undergone the same promotion, lt. cmdr to cmdr upon completion of the bridge officer's exam

This makes me think that something weird is going on, or there is a common occurrence of this nature, where medical officers aboard starships often don't rise above the lt. cmdr. rank unless they get compensatorily promoted after completing bridge officer testing

Perhaps the only way for a medical officer to achieve higher ranks is to serve in medical facilities. This would mean Beverly had always held bridge officer qualifications her entire time aboard the Enterprise
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Old November 12 2012, 02:02 PM   #18
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But we have seen two full Commander CMOs who pretty emphatically insist they have no command ambitions or qualifications... They don't "need" the rank, but they aren't established to be an uncommon phenomenon, either.

We don't even know if Crusher's promotion really was related to her taking this particular course; the timeline of her promotions is unclear in general. Perhaps Crusher "stretched herself a little" by taking a course in medical management and got the promotion from that one, but also happened to have the bridge officer course under her belt from her earlier days, and Troi chose that one as her own way of "stretching"?

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Old November 20 2012, 03:26 PM   #19
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Just because you outrank another officer doesn't mean you default to taking command over them...especially if one officer is a Command officer (TNG redshirt) and the other isn't. Technically the captain can designate anyone they want to be in command of the ship, anyhow.

As for why Data never took the test...you'd have to ask him.
Well, in "Genesis" there was the scene with Troi taking command of the ship while Picard and Data went chasing after the torpedo.

I mean, I'm glad she got to command the ship for a second time but Riker was still on board so why not put him in command? Unless it wasn't his watch...

The way I'm understanding it is this...

Since Riker is a red shirt and Troi is a blue shirt, yet they both bear the same Commander rank, I still can't see Troi outranking Riker.

Data is a Lt. Commander and all episodes following "Thine Own Self" Troi is a Commander, so does that mean that if Troi gives Data an order he has to obey it?

I still can't get over Picard's absence in "Thine Own Self" except for the last couple of minutes in the episode, given that he's the captain and that's such a big role.
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Old November 21 2012, 09:22 AM   #20
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Since Riker is a red shirt and Troi is a blue shirt, yet they both bear the same Commander rank, I still can't see Troi outranking Riker.
Moreover, if two people hold the same rank, the one who has spent more time at that rank wins any potential pissing contest.

does that mean that if Troi gives Data an order he has to obey it?
Well, if Troi has been placed in charge of the bridge, Data has to obey her regardless of her rank. In medical matters, Data has to obey Troi regardless of her rank. But in a general case, one would think that staff officers (in blue shirt) would not be able to give commands arbitrarily - they could only expect to be followed if the commands related to their specific fields of proficiency.

I still can't get over Picard's absence in "Thine Own Self" except for the last couple of minutes in the episode, given that he's the captain and that's such a big role.
OTOH, it's in line with other character absences - our heroes tend to "attend conferences" and the like especially during quiet times (such as the one suggested at the very start of the episode, with Crusher doing bridge watches as a hobby rather than tending to massive casualties). It's sort of fun that no convoluted explanation for the absence is inserted this time...

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Old November 21 2012, 04:48 PM   #21
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OTOH, it's in line with other character absences - our heroes tend to "attend conferences" and the like especially during quiet times (such as the one suggested at the very start of the episode, with Crusher doing bridge watches as a hobby rather than tending to massive casualties). It's sort of fun that no convoluted explanation for the absence is inserted this time...

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Also, it does seem consistent with the division of responsibilities. Riker is always the one in charge of personnel matters. He would be the logical choice to be administering and "grading" the test. Only when the results were in and the promotion needed to happen would Picard get involved.
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