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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old November 5 2012, 01:24 AM   #16
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Re: The tale of the 2 Picards

IMHO, it's okay for Picard to be the badass action hero. We've seen him do that in TNG on occasion when the situation called for it. The oft-cited "Starship Mine" comes to mind. The problem for me is that's not the core of who Picard was. It was an exception. It was enough of an exception that we cheered loudly when we saw that side of his personality.

The problem is that the movies played that note over and over again. Yes, it made total sense in FC fighting the Borg that there would be a very personal, emotional connection; that Picard would go "action hero"; and that Picard wouldn't use the same good judgment at times as he normally would. But to play that same note for four films got old fast, and made it seem as if the writers had forgotten about any other aspect of his character.

Star Trek had a six-film history of being able to do a variety of stories on the big screen. There was "high concept" sci-fi, there was action/adventure, there was comedy, there was intimate drama. But for some reason, when TNG leaped to the big screen, suddenly every movie had to be a big action movie.
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Old November 11 2012, 07:08 PM   #17
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The TNG movies would've worked better had the truly emphasized the ensemble rather than just Picard and Data. That was the strength TNG had over TOS. TOS had the big three with everyone else chipping in, but TNG was a true team effort. They should've had the action rotate between Picard, Data, Work and Riker.
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Old November 11 2012, 07:49 PM   #18
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I never saw a difference between TV Picard and film Picard. Starship Mine comes to mind immediately. It's Die Hard On A Spaceship With Low Budget.
I never get why people compare that episode with Die Hard. Picard wasn't kicking ass and taking names in that episode. He was resorting to tricks and misdirection to outmaneuver his opponents. It was more like Home Alone in space. That chick beat his butt quite handily actually.
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Old November 11 2012, 09:10 PM   #19
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I never saw a difference between TV Picard and film Picard. Starship Mine comes to mind immediately. It's Die Hard On A Spaceship With Low Budget.
I never get why people compare that episode with Die Hard. Picard wasn't kicking ass and taking names in that episode. He was resorting to tricks and misdirection to outmaneuver his opponents. It was more like Home Alone in space. That chick beat his butt quite handily actually.
Any "one man against terrorists in a confined space" scenario is the Die Hard scenario. Maybe it was something different before, but ever since Die Hard, it's the Die Hard scenario.
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Old November 13 2012, 10:59 PM   #20
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That's the first time I heard that "definition." Is that just your opinion or some collective consensus?
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Old November 14 2012, 10:24 PM   #21
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Well even Morgan Gendel, the guy who pitched the episode, seems to agree with that.

http://trekmovie.com/2011/05/31/phxc...-light-sequel/

[Gendel] says pitch for TNG episode "Starship Mine" was easy, just saying "It’s Die Hard on the Enterprise"
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Old November 16 2012, 09:53 AM   #22
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Well Picard was pretty Picard like in Generations, got his assed kicked too although he was probably affected by family events. First Contact was Picard getting through some emotional baggage left over by what the Borg did to him so he wasn't in his right mind and went ape shit on them. Insurrection he was affected by the planet's rings causing him to act in a more youthful way then he might have done and we all know what youthful (laughing with a blade in his heart) Picard was like. Nemesis he was affected by being confronted by a youthful version of himself and in some ways had felt violated that some part of him was stolen and that he could actually be capable of the same tings Shinzon did. The only out of character thing was that constipated look on his face when Shinzon died in front of him.
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