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Old November 5 2012, 09:38 PM   #76
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The old films I kind of see as supposedly being the same guy, just ignoring that his age keeps changing allowing him to be the same age in the 60s and 90s.
In Goldeneye (mid '90s) doesn't Sean Bean's 006 talk about having served in the second world war with Brosnan's Bond?

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Old November 5 2012, 10:12 PM   #77
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No, 006's parents fought for the British in WW2.
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Old November 5 2012, 10:16 PM   #78
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6 years ago we had a Bond who was rough around the edges

Then(QOS)we still get a Bond who's learning the curves. Now we get someone who's past his prime? In roughly 6 years?


It's like they(the studio thought "Okay fast forward the story. He's progressing too slowly"

I think the "Past his prime" aspect would have worked better if Craig had more movies under his belt. It almost looks like the end for Craig but we all know it's not since he's signed on for more sequels.
I must have missed that bit about him being past it. He's contracturally obliged to get his shirt off in every movie and he looks just fine to me.
I think this refers to 'in-movie.' Ralph Fienne's character makes a disparaging comment to Bond along the lines of "this is a young man's game" and there is a small sub-plot about Bond's fitness for duty.

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The old films I kind of see as supposedly being the same guy, just ignoring that his age keeps changing allowing him to be the same age in the 60s and 90s.
In Goldeneye (mid '90s) doesn't Sean Bean's 006 talk about having served in the second world war with Brosnan's Bond?

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No. His family were Cossacks who were given refuge by the UK during World War II, before the tribe was mostly betrayed by the UK and repatriated to their deaths at Stalin's hands. However, it emerged that Alec's parents survived and returned to England, where he was born, but wanted revenge for the deaths of his countrymen.
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Old November 5 2012, 10:45 PM   #79
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Silver was heaviliy influenced by Nolan's Joker, but every big villain lately is.

Silver had the personal vendetta, he had the big masterplan including the "I'm letting you capture me for a purpose!", he even had a bit of "Wanna know where I got these scars?" with his jaw.

Moneypenny's build up and reveal at the end reminded me of Robin's build up and reveal in TDKR.


A friend of mine also mentioned that Adele's Skyfall has a rising note motif (0:53 - 1:17)that was used in Batman Begins, but yeah well, that's taking the similarities too far.
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Old November 6 2012, 02:32 AM   #80
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Why do you keep referring to him as Silver? It's Silva.
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Old November 6 2012, 11:34 PM   #81
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Because I don't really care.
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Old November 6 2012, 11:44 PM   #82
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And I'm sure M pronounced it Silver, as did all the others when they said his name.
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Old November 7 2012, 08:02 AM   #83
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They did but how different is Silva from Silver when said out loud? The credits say Silva though.
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Old November 7 2012, 03:34 PM   #84
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http://www.metro.co.uk/film/917199-s...en-distracting

So it looks like, as I suspected, Sean Connery was considered, albeit briefly, for the role of Kinkaid in Skyfall. Mendes decided, rightly, IMHO, that he would be too distracting in the role.
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Old November 7 2012, 05:21 PM   #85
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For me it was distracting that it wasn't Sean, after all that build up.
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Old November 8 2012, 06:52 PM   #86
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I saw the movie last night. I wasn't blown away, but I enjoyed the ride. The story had a lot of elements we've seen before... Bond disappears/goes rogue/embarks on a mission that's personal. Done already. The fundamentals that make up a Bond movie though, were a mixed bag with a lot of them being pretty strong. Here's my breakdown...

The Title: I'm glad we didn't get a "Die Another Tomorrow Never Dies" kind of thing.

The Cover Song & Opening Montage: I wasn't impressed with Adele's song. It was too generic. Nothing about it really stood out. I can't hum it, it didn't add a distinctive sound or feel to the movie and I can't even remember it now. The montage was pretty good though. I love it when Bond ends up in a seemingly fatal situation just before the opening sequence starts, with a little of that worked into the montage. That has yet to get old for me. And graveyards? Made me think of Brosnan wanting a Bond ghost story. I thought it was just there for style, but it made sense in the end.

James Bond: I liked seeing Bond fleshed out and humanized a little more, the way they've been doing with the Craig films already. This time, he's not in tip-top shape but he still has a boss who has faith in him. I also liked the line about his substance addiction and his dislike of authority. It added some good rationale to the aforementioned story elements we've seen before. We also got a glimpse into his past. Not a lot, but enough to make an impression. All in all, he's not the caricature he was becoming with the Brosnan films. Craig is starting to age though. Hope he doesn't turn into Roger Moore crica A View to a Kill. Still, I like Craig's ruggedness. Bond isn't supposed to be a pretty boy.

The Villain: I don't think Bardem will go down as one of the most memorable villains, but he did play the part to perfection. He was a pretty disturbing psychopath indeed, with just enough style and eccentricity to be a proper Bond villain. Now that you mention it, he does remind me of the Joker. I especially liked his gay/bisexual infatuation with Bond and the maniacal laugh after he put his teeth in. Those were moments that stood out for me the most. It might have been interesting if they went further with the gay/bi infatuation bit, but then I figured that any sort of "rape" would be too much for a Bond movie. The audience might have ended up just as traumatized as Bond himself.

The Bond Girl(s): They didn't give us the classic Bond Girl & romance, but they did remind us that he's a womanizer with just a brief scene. They also threw us a little something with Sévérine, but she got killed off pretty quickly and unexpectedly didn't she? No matter, the real Bond Girl was something a little different… Naomie Harris as Eve Moneypenny. Giving a classic character a substantial role with a twist and more of a background was a real treat. I was looking forward to seeing her in a Craig film and this was a great way to introduce her.

Locations: They made London look too cold and drab, but I agree with what Garak said about Shanghai. The scenes there were shot very well and it did look like the coolest place in the world. Reminded me of Blade Runner a bit.

Gadgets: A gun and a radio. Basic but effective. Even more fun though was our gadget man, the new Q. Ben Whishaw as a younger Q that was more like the IT guy from Covert Affairs was a fresh and welcome way to go. Works for me just fine. We also got to see the old Aston Martin. It was a nice little homage. Too bad it was destroyed.

Other Stuff: I didn't know that Sean Connery was up for the role of Kinkaid. It's funny because when he showed up, I too thought… Wouldn't it have been a hoot if he were played by Sean Connery? Then I figured that it might have been too distracting.

I also liked the ending. We have Bond back and ready for duty, a new M that reminds me of the classic ones, Moneypenny, and Q. It took three movies, but Bond as we know it has finally come together. I look forward to the next two installments. A two-parter should be fun.
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Old November 8 2012, 09:28 PM   #87
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I The Villain: It might have been interesting if they went further with the gay/bi infatuation bit, but then I figured that any sort of "rape" would be too much for a Bond movie. The audience might have ended up just as traumatized as Bond himself.
We already had sexual sadism ventured on a naked Bond with the rope/testicles torture scene in Casino Royale; this would have been too reminiscent of that scene for one thing.

A two-parter should be fun.
Apparently that rumour has been debunked by Craig.
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Old November 8 2012, 11:58 PM   #88
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A two-parter should be fun.
Apparently that rumour has been debunked by Craig.
That's actually a great relief!
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Old November 9 2012, 09:38 AM   #89
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I enjoyed it quite a bit but there was one massively tone deaf moment: James Bond fucks a sex slave. WTF? I realize they didn't intend it to be anything weird but it really was if you think about it. There's no way she'd be like, yes, man I just met, come have sex with me even though I've been abused these past years repeatedly by Javier Bardem. That was really stupid.

Other than that, I liked it. Bardem was phenomenal.
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Old November 9 2012, 10:05 AM   #90
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I enjoyed it quite a bit but there was one massively tone deaf moment: James Bond fucks a sex slave. WTF? I realize they didn't intend it to be anything weird but it really was if you think about it. There's no way she'd be like, yes, man I just met, come have sex with me even though I've been abused these past years repeatedly by Javier Bardem. That was really stupid.

Other than that, I liked it. Bardem was phenomenal.
Or here was a woman who's been used/abused choosing to make love with a man who she saw as something different, and as a potential white knight who would save her from the monster she was enslaved by. You could also look at it as a woman for whom sex is the only power she has (as illusionary as that might be) who feels she has to sweeten the deal with her potential savior (though personally I suspect it's the former).

It is at least slightly more romantic than the similar situation when Bond shagged Andrea Anders in The Man with the Golden Gun.
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