Star Wars Episode 7 - 2015 - Page 52

teacake · November 6 2012, 11:34 PM

I think their relationship is doomed. He's the flyboy badboy of the youth she didn't have being raised for public service. He'll get bored with the duties and she'll get bored with the attitude.

Slurms MacKenzi · November 6 2012, 11:50 PM

It'd totally undermine his arc in the OT if he dumps Leia and returns to smuggling.

teacake · November 6 2012, 11:56 PM

I'm talking 10+ years later. And I didn't say he returns to smuggling, just that it's doomed, especially if there is an extended time of peace.

Rarewolf · November 7 2012, 12:03 AM

teacock wrote:

I think their relationship is doomed. He's the flyboy badboy of the youth she didn't have being raised for public service. He'll get bored with the duties and she'll get bored with the attitude.

With the love of repeated dialogue and situations in the franchise you could almost imagine him being confronted by Luke's son.

'No. I am your father'

teacake · November 7 2012, 12:07 AM

I read that as "comforted" rather than "confronted". That was interesting.

sojourner · November 7 2012, 12:09 AM

Temis the Friendly Ghost wrote:

Harrison Ford is the obvious one of the original actors to return, a la Leonard Nimoy, to pass the torch to the younger actors who are going to be playing the brand-name characters.

Ford is a bankable name. Hamill and Fischer aren't. Being bankable compensates for the wrinkles.

I can see them going with a scenario like, Ford as Old Han, reminiscing on his deathbed about the terrible and dramatic events in the long ago past...as a framing device to stories of the younger (recast) characters...

Then you get maximum value of all the brand names: Star Wars, Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Harrison Ford (who is the only actor who is also a brand and therefore valuable to Disney). And you don't scare away the young audience by making them look at a bunch of codgers for two hours.

So we know from the start that, whatever happens, Han doesn't die. That's okay if he's the only one whose fate is known. Maybe everyone else croaks in the course of the three movies, or go dark side or whatever.

Do you have any actual indication that these iconic roles will be recast beyond some self delusion that it's all about "the demographics"?

teacake · November 7 2012, 12:11 AM

No one seemed to mind that the OT had plenty of "old codger" Obi Wan.

And no, Alec Guinness was not a hip name among teens of the time.

Slurms MacKenzi · November 7 2012, 12:20 AM

teacock wrote:

I'm talking 10+ years later. And I didn't say he returns to smuggling, just that it's doomed, especially if there is an extended time of peace.

By the end of ROTJ, Han had become pretty domesticated. He could easily become similar to Lando in ESB while staying with Leia: responsible and diplomatic while using his charm to succeed in some larger role in the government.

lurok · November 7 2012, 12:23 AM

If it's not a grumpy old Ford, I'm not interested.

Professor Zoom · November 7 2012, 12:23 AM

Slurms MacKenzi wrote:

teacock wrote:

I'm talking 10+ years later. And I didn't say he returns to smuggling, just that it's doomed, especially if there is an extended time of peace.

By the end of ROTJ, Han had become pretty domesticated. He could easily become similar to Lando in ESB while staying with Leia: responsible and diplomatic while using his charm to succeed in some larger role in the government.

And that's why I don't need to see him again. His story, his life of adventure, is over. Who would want to see a "successful" diplomat Han Solo? Sounds AWFUL.

Lando, at least, had some shades of grey.

Skywalker · November 7 2012, 12:25 AM

sojourner wrote:

Temis the Friendly Ghost wrote:

Harrison Ford is the obvious one of the original actors to return, a la Leonard Nimoy, to pass the torch to the younger actors who are going to be playing the brand-name characters.

Ford is a bankable name. Hamill and Fischer aren't. Being bankable compensates for the wrinkles.

I can see them going with a scenario like, Ford as Old Han, reminiscing on his deathbed about the terrible and dramatic events in the long ago past...as a framing device to stories of the younger (recast) characters...

Then you get maximum value of all the brand names: Star Wars, Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Harrison Ford (who is the only actor who is also a brand and therefore valuable to Disney). And you don't scare away the young audience by making them look at a bunch of codgers for two hours.

So we know from the start that, whatever happens, Han doesn't die. That's okay if he's the only one whose fate is known. Maybe everyone else croaks in the course of the three movies, or go dark side or whatever.

Do you have any actual indication that these iconic roles will be recast beyond some self delusion that it's all about "the demographics"?

No, she doesn't.

Dream · November 7 2012, 12:25 AM

teacock wrote:

I'm talking 10+ years later. And I didn't say he returns to smuggling, just that it's doomed, especially if there is an extended time of peace.

Have you read any of the SW books that take place after ROTJ?

teacake · November 7 2012, 12:26 AM

Slurms MacKenzi wrote:

teacock wrote:

I'm talking 10+ years later. And I didn't say he returns to smuggling, just that it's doomed, especially if there is an extended time of peace.

By the end of ROTJ, Han had become pretty domesticated. He could easily become similar to Lando in ESB while staying with Leia: responsible and diplomatic while using his charm to succeed in some larger role in the government.

We saw him for 5 minutes at the end of a battle. Everything was still VERY exciting regardless of him being on the right side of the law. I would hardly call this domesticated.

Let him be married and up to his neck in diplomacy for ten years and we'll see how happy he is with domestication. He's going to get bored and she's going to get irritated with his boredom.

teacake · November 7 2012, 12:27 AM

Dream wrote:

teacock wrote:

I'm talking 10+ years later. And I didn't say he returns to smuggling, just that it's doomed, especially if there is an extended time of peace.

Have you read any of the SW books that take place after ROTJ?

All I ever read was the Thrawn trilogy but that was a long time ago and I can't remember a thing about it.

Dream · November 7 2012, 12:31 AM

teacock wrote:

Dream wrote:

teacock wrote:

I'm talking 10+ years later. And I didn't say he returns to smuggling, just that it's doomed, especially if there is an extended time of peace.

Have you read any of the SW books that take place after ROTJ?

All I ever read was the Thrawn trilogy but that was a long time ago and I can't remember a thing about it.

I would say the Thrawn trilogy were the only great Star Wars books. The author did a good job writing a believable Han and Leia married relationship too.

Most of what happens later is pretty... well... stupid.

November 6 2012, 11:34 PM	#766
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Star Wars Episode 7 - 2015 I think their relationship is doomed. He's the flyboy badboy of the youth she didn't have being raised for public service. He'll get bored with the duties and she'll get bored with the attitude. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

November 6 2012, 11:50 PM	#767
Slurms MacKenzi Lieutenant Junior Grade Location: Australia	Re: Star Wars Episode 7 - 2015 It'd totally undermine his arc in the OT if he dumps Leia and returns to smuggling.

November 6 2012, 11:56 PM	#768
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Star Wars Episode 7 - 2015 I'm talking 10+ years later. And I didn't say he returns to smuggling, just that it's doomed, especially if there is an extended time of peace. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

November 7 2012, 12:07 AM	#770
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Star Wars Episode 7 - 2015 I read that as "comforted" rather than "confronted". That was interesting. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

November 7 2012, 12:11 AM	#772
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Star Wars Episode 7 - 2015 No one seemed to mind that the OT had plenty of "old codger" Obi Wan. And no, Alec Guinness was not a hip name among teens of the time. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

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November 7 2012, 12:23 AM	#774
lurok Commodore Location: Lost In The EU Expanse	Re: Star Wars Episode 7 - 2015 If it's not a grumpy old Ford, I'm not interested. __________________ “Between ennui and ecstasy unwinds our whole experience of time.”