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Old November 4 2012, 01:54 AM   #526
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Yeah I paused up on that. Not the greatest matte ever (at least by what we could see), but still for the time, and for what it was trying to show us, it was very impressive for a weekly tv series.
Just looking at this new matte, its definitely been CGI enhanced and an improvement over the original. I cant really make it out very well I think there are some first contact style alcoves in there, the telltale is the green plasma disks. Can anyone one see them?
Yes, in fact it looks like all the Borg alcoves surrounding the original live-action element have tilted green plasma discs, whereas the footage filmed in 1989 has the original non-tilted energy plates:



And here's the original matte:

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...16/qwho219.jpg

Despite any visual inconsistencies, I agree with you that the new CG matte is a significant improvement and I can understand why they had to abandon the old matte painting.
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Old November 4 2012, 11:07 AM   #527
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Ahhh, finally a fix for one of my niggling gripes about the original matte painting! The "live action" platform no longer has an odd droop to it due to the angle not quite matching the painting properly.

...at least, I hope it's fixed.
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Old November 4 2012, 12:09 PM   #528
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Perhaps CBS and the partner company don't have an issue with the impulse engine changing from orange to pinkish red, but it really bugs me. The colours of season one were vibrant and looked correct, but from what I've seen of Season 2 so far, things look more faded out or something. The colour of the impulse engine should not be so drastically different. I had hoped having Dan Curry on board we wouldn't have seen differences like this...but I'm hoping he also didn't intentionally change it due to personal preferences. I mean, it wasn't red in Generations.
Just picked up on this. Actually it's not really consistent in the first season either. While the impulse drive glows orange during the episodes themselves, they are red in the title sequence of each and every episode, for example.

EDIT: The new FX shots from the season two event trailer look great! Can't wait for this release!
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Old November 5 2012, 05:26 PM   #529
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Yeah I paused up on that. Not the greatest matte ever (at least by what we could see), but still for the time, and for what it was trying to show us, it was very impressive for a weekly tv series.
Just looking at this new matte, its definitely been CGI enhanced and an improvement over the original. I cant really make it out very well I think there are some first contact style alcoves in there, the telltale is the green plasma disks. Can anyone one see them?
Yes, in fact it looks like all the Borg alcoves surrounding the original live-action element have tilted green plasma discs, whereas the footage filmed in 1989 has the original non-tilted energy plates:



And here's the original matte:

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...16/qwho219.jpg

Despite any visual inconsistencies, I agree with you that the new CG matte is a significant improvement and I can understand why they had to abandon the old matte painting.
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Old November 5 2012, 06:05 PM   #530
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Just bought two tickets to the Fathom event. Can't wait!
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Old November 5 2012, 07:44 PM   #531
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It's been a while since the release was brought out but I love the features we're getting. I think the biggest revelation about this was the deleted scenes. No matter how big or small they are, we're getting TNG scenes both in the deleted variety and in terms of Measure of a man, and that excites me. We've all seen these episodes so many times (Or at least most of us) but we're getting scenes we've never seen. In that sense, they're going back into the Vault and releasing brand new TNG. I think that qualifies as "Big News" in terms of the features.

Not only that, but I'm excited in the season 2 version of Stardate Revisited for numorous reasons I've already stated in this thread. I still think the biggest thing I love about these features (And I know a lot of people will disagree) is that we're getting a recent 2012 interview with Diana Maulder. In a set that advertises the cast reunion, I am really glad they kept Dr. Pulaski in mind, considering this was "her" season.

Also, I haven't heard anything and maybe it's something for the Season 3 sets, but have there been any news about maybe getting Whoopi Goldberg for interview? I mean she's not really as big now as she was back then (When Ghost was coming out) and isn't she still on the View? I would love to see an interview with her, considering she's a lot older and I do wonder if she really enjoyed her time on TNG in hindsight. She really was one of Trek's best characters.
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Old November 5 2012, 08:21 PM   #532
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Didn't she lobby to be on the show?
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Old November 5 2012, 08:50 PM   #533
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Didn't she lobby to be on the show?
She did, but a lot can happen in 25 years.

Were you talking about Goldberg or Maulder? My above comment was for Goldberg.
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Old November 5 2012, 08:52 PM   #534
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Muldaur did it as a favour to Gene Roddenberry. The poducers didn't like that she wouldn't agree to doing the first three episodes of the third season, they had no way to make her since she was a guest star, so they decided to drop her character.

Anyone notice how much bad luck Trek actresses seem to have?

Denise Crosby
Gates Mcfadden (fired, but asked back in S3)
Diana Muldaur
Terry Farrell
Jennifer Lien
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Old November 5 2012, 09:17 PM   #535
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I think the "letdown" many people are expressing is that these other extras were really hyped up and expected to be revolutionary, but IMO deleted scenes and bloopers are a routine (even expected) addition to most DVD/Bluray releases.
For crying out loud! Absolutely no-one implied that the extras would be revolutionary. If anyone is disappointed with these extra features they're just bloody ingrates IMO. For one we get deleted scenes, pretty much a first for Trek shows, if you disregard Ent. We're getting a totally remastered EXTENDED frigging version of Measure of a Man and audio commentaries. And let's not forget that all episodes have been remastered from 35 mm. What the hell more do you want?
Other than for you to lose the condescending attitude (IMO)? Nothing. We were/are all aware that the extra's are super. Wonderful. Unprecedented. But we were lead to believe there was more. I feel let down by the person that suggested this and feel I wasted my time reading his articles in the hope they would reveal the clues that were hinted at. Look at my post from late September. Notice how I indicate how chuffed I am with what had already been announced. Then call me an ingrate.

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I'm enjoying reading your interviews, thanks for puting in the time.

This special feature you were talking about... Has it already been revealed? It's just that an interview with Muldaur, An extended version of Measure of a Man and commentaries to both that episode and Q Who? already feel like a feast of goodies and I'm left scratching my head as to what more there could be. I'm worried that I may be missing the "clues" in your interviews that you keep refering to.
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Old November 5 2012, 09:25 PM   #536
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Didn't she lobby to be on the show?
Muldaur did it as a favour to Gene Roddenberry. The poducers didn't like that she wouldn't agree to doing the first three episodes of the third season, they had no way to make her since she was a guest star, so they decided to drop her character.

Anyone notice how much bad luck Trek actresses seem to have?

Denise Crosby
Gates Mcfadden (fired, but asked back in S3)
Diana Muldaur
Terry Farrell
Jennifer Lien
I think McFadden's situation would be the only one that might be called "luck," but see below for how I would describe them:

Denise Crosby = poor career choice
Gates McFadden = victim of sexual harassment
Diana Muldaur = fulfilled her obligation, then left amicably
Terry Farrell = left near the end of DS9 for a better opportunity (network sitcom) - good decision!
Jennifer Lien = chose to leave for some reason (can't remember what it was).

Feel free to correct me if my memory has failed me (again).
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Old November 5 2012, 09:53 PM   #537
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Other than for you to lose the condescending attitude (IMO)? Nothing. We were/are all aware that the extra's are super. Wonderful. Unprecedented. But we were lead to believe there was more. I feel let down by the person that suggested this and feel I wasted my time reading his articles in the hope they would reveal the clues that were hinted at. Look at my post from late September. Notice how I indicate how chuffed I am with what had already been announced. Then call me an ingrate.
There WAS more! Did you miss it completely? We get DELETED SCENES and a GAG REEL... not seen for 25 years. That's wonderful. That's unprecedented.

Wasted your time reading them? Wow... try being more unappreciative next time. CBS have gone out of their way to produce the best extras ever seen on a Star Trek home video release this time round - and I absolutely stand by my claim that these bonus features are groundbreaking. As for reading the articles, if you didn't want to read the interviews with the people behind this project, that's your prerogative. The feedback we've received has been wonderfully positive.
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Old November 5 2012, 09:55 PM   #538
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Didn't she lobby to be on the show?
She did, but a lot can happen in 25 years.

Were you talking about Goldberg or Maulder? My above comment was for Goldberg.
Sorry, I was commenting on your last paragraph about Goldberg. I would assume that if she lobbied to be on the show and stayed with it for so long she must have enjoyed her time.
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Old November 5 2012, 10:00 PM   #539
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Denise Crosby = poor career choice
I consider it both a poor career choice and bad luck. Michael Dorn got even less than do as Worf than Crosby as Tasha in the first season, until Heart of Glory, but he was smart enough to stick with the show.

Gates McFadden = victim of sexual harassment
I was quite shocked when I first heard that. Glad things worked out for her.

Diana Muldaur = fulfilled her obligation, then left amicably
Okay, I consider it not really bad luck for her since she never quite enjoyed being on the show.

Terry Farrell = left near the end of DS9 for a better opportunity (network sitcom) - good decision!
Farrell was trying to get a raise for her final season, but Paramount went behind her back and hired everyone else and ended up firing her. That just rubs me the wrong way. As a result of that, we wasted several episodes developing Ezri Dax during the last season.

Yes, she did end up doing a few seconds on Becker, but she was also abruntly fired from that show for no reason.

But I'm glad she seems to be happy these days as a mom.

Jennifer Lien = chose to leave for some reason (can't remember what it was).
Nope.

The VOY producers were planning to drop Garrett Wang in order to make the space for the hiring of Jeri Ryan. It was obvious they had no clue what to do with Harry Kim. But PEOPLE magazine put up a sexist people list which included Wang, so they decided to drop Lien instead.

I always liked Kes, so I was pretty pissed about that.
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Also, I haven't heard anything and maybe it's something for the Season 3 sets, but have there been any news about maybe getting Whoopi Goldberg for interview? I mean she's not really as big now as she was back then (When Ghost was coming out) and isn't she still on the View? I would love to see an interview with her, considering she's a lot older and I do wonder if she really enjoyed her time on TNG in hindsight. She really was one of Trek's best characters.
I know CBS are trying so hard to get every major actor and guest from the show to contribute to the bonus features. Diana Muldaur and John de Lancie will both be wonderful contributors to Season 2 I'm sure, especially Muldaur who rarely talks about Star Trek. There has been no mention of Whoopi being included with Season 2, however much like John de Lancie appearing in Season 2 rather than Season 1, I wouldn't be surprised if she turns up next Season or later down the road
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