X-MEN: Days Of Future Past (Casting, Rumors, Pics till release) - Page 13

The Borgified Corpse · November 4 2012, 10:56 PM

Gaith wrote:

NOOOOOOOO! Nothing but Star Wars news must break today, lest we risk causing a chain reaction that might unravel the very fabric of the space-time continuum and destroy the entire universe!

Granted, that's a worst case scenario. The destruction might be very localized; limited to merely our own galaxy. Or to a galaxy far far away.

I'm hoping that Singer taking over as director definately means that we'll be getting some of the actors from the 2000-2006 movies reprising their roles in some future capacity.

The Borgified Corpse · November 4 2012, 11:10 PM

Samurai8472 wrote:

PsychoPere wrote:

Now I'm a little torn that Joss Whedon is busy with his Marvel Studios contract, because I'd love to see him helm an X-Men movie.

Imagine the dialogue!

"Do you know what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning?"

Trek Survivor wrote:

Ian Keldon wrote:

I just take FC as a different universe and move on, myself...

Actually, I rather like the fact that the producers are trying to get things to fit. I'm fed up of this "oh, let's just reboot" constant mentality. Spiderman, Fantastic Four etc...

Respect to Singer and all involved if they can make this one, huge wonderful saga.

PS - I must be the only person in the world who DOESN'T hate "The Last Stand"? I don't think it was as good as 1 or 2 - it was far too short, for one thing, and crammed too much in - but I don't outright hate it. It's fine.

Things will just go to **** if Singer tries to do what he did with "Superman" and say "these old movies count, these ones don't" etc.

Agreed! (Except I don't mind that Singer ignored the super-shitty post-Donner Supes movies.)

M'rk, son of Mogh · November 5 2012, 01:36 AM

Ian Keldon wrote:

Well crap! Guess it's back to the emo "woe is us, for we are so persecuted" angst-festing...

Do people not know how involved he was with the previous movie, or do they just like to pretend he wasn't there?

Set Harth · November 5 2012, 01:41 AM

The Borgified Corpse wrote:

Samurai8472 wrote:

PsychoPere wrote:

Now I'm a little torn that Joss Whedon is busy with his Marvel Studios contract, because I'd love to see him helm an X-Men movie.

Imagine the dialogue!

"Do you know what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning?"

Not to mention:
"Hey! It's me."
"Prove it."
"You're a dick."
"Okay."

Admiral_Young · November 5 2012, 01:44 AM

"First Class" as we got it would not have happened without Bryan Singer's treatment being green lit. Untill that point it was still based on Jeff Parker's "X-Men: First Class" comic. He and Vaughn worked very closely together. They were pretty much in-synch with each other for the entire production of the film. Singer also helped cast the movie IIRC. Vaughn directed the film and put his own stamp on it, but the film was as much Singer's as it was Vaughns. As I've said before, it seems like some fans have forgotten just how much involvement and how important Bryan Singer was to "X-Men: First Class".

Samurai8472 · November 5 2012, 02:38 AM

Set Harth wrote:

The Borgified Corpse wrote:

Samurai8472 wrote:

Imagine the dialogue!

"Do you know what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning?"

Not to mention:
"Hey! It's me."
"Prove it."
"You're a dick."
"Okay."

Wolverine- I'm bringing the party to you

*Sentinel chases Wolverine*

Kitty Pride- I..I..I don't see how that's a party.

Ian Keldon · November 5 2012, 05:26 AM

M'rk, son of Mogh wrote:

Ian Keldon wrote:

Well crap! Guess it's back to the emo "woe is us, for we are so persecuted" angst-festing...

Do people not know how involved he was with the previous movie, or do they just like to pretend he wasn't there?

If he was involved, at least his influence was kept at bay, because we got an X-men film that was true to the concept AND a good superhero movie at the same time, as opposed to 1, 2, and much of 3 where it was all about Singer's stupid "mutant=gays" moralizing.

Set Harth · November 5 2012, 05:29 AM

Yeah, no "mutants=gays" moralizing in FC to speak of...

...what?

Kestrel · November 5 2012, 05:36 AM

Ian Keldon wrote:

Well crap! Guess it's back to the emo "woe is us, for we are so persecuted" angst-festing...

"Woe is us, for we are so persecuted" has always been what X-Men is about. That'd be like having Spider-Man without any hint of "with great power, etc..."

Skywalker · November 5 2012, 05:49 AM

Set Harth wrote:

Yeah, no "mutants=gays" moralizing in FC to speak of...

...what?

I guess the "You didn't ask, so I didn't tell" gag flew right over some people's heads.

Samurai8472 · November 5 2012, 06:06 AM

"Don't be ashamed of your true self"

"Mutant and Proud"

I guess that flew over some people's heads

mswood · November 5 2012, 06:53 AM

Ian Keldon wrote:

M'rk, son of Mogh wrote:

Ian Keldon wrote:

Well crap! Guess it's back to the emo "woe is us, for we are so persecuted" angst-festing...

Do people not know how involved he was with the previous movie, or do they just like to pretend he wasn't there?

If he was involved, at least his influence was kept at bay, because we got an X-men film that was true to the concept AND a good superhero movie at the same time, as opposed to 1, 2, and much of 3 where it was all about Singer's stupid "mutant=gays" moralizing.

You do realize that many writers of the X-Men have actually stated that the way Mutants must hide who and what they are can be modern parallels to gays. Including the writer who wrote more episodes of the X-Men then any other. Now that isn't to say that it can't be used for other parallels (they used other parallels in the mid sixties), but again many a writer has out and out stated that it is used as a parallel to any culture or group that has to hide from the public and behave in a way that is counter to their nature. And that absolutely includes gays and lesbians.

And I think Claremont might, just have a little better understanding on that then the public.

So exactly what concept was wrong?

Alidar Jarok · November 5 2012, 01:23 PM

The X-Men have always been an allegory for persecuted groups. It started with the Civil Rights movement, but it quickly identified itself with gay rights (which makes sense since most mutants are also part of a group that is not visually identifiable). I thought X-Men First Class was the most effective at emphasizing the themes. Considering the plot of this movie, I see no reason to expect differently here.

Sindatur · November 5 2012, 02:00 PM

Heh, this is just like reading the Discussion thread for First Class all over again.

"Thank God he wasn't involved in this movie"

"But, he was involved in the movie, from the get-go, barely anything was changed"

Ian Keldon · November 5 2012, 02:30 PM

There is a difference between a concept being an allegory, and the execution of the concept being all about the allegory. Singer in 1, 2 and most of 3 spent far too much time on the philosophising, and nowhere near enough time on the "POW! BAM! ZAP!"

The X-Men and Magneto in the first two and a half films are pathetically weak, and have few chances on screen to demonstrate their true power. The only time Magneto in particular was written properly powers wise was the lifting of the Golden Gate Bridge. He NEVER got Jean/Phoenix right except the little "teaser" bit at the end of 2.

In short, however good some things might have been about the first 3 films, they failed to "embrace the spandex" and thus fail as superhero movies, which makes the approach in FC the far superior version, and Singer had the least to do with that film.

November 5 2012, 01:44 AM	#185
Admiral_Young Fleet Admiral Location: Metropolis	Re: X-MEN: Days Of Future Past (Casting, Rumors, Pics till release) "First Class" as we got it would not have happened without Bryan Singer's treatment being green lit. Untill that point it was still based on Jeff Parker's "X-Men: First Class" comic. He and Vaughn worked very closely together. They were pretty much in-synch with each other for the entire production of the film. Singer also helped cast the movie IIRC. Vaughn directed the film and put his own stamp on it, but the film was as much Singer's as it was Vaughns. As I've said before, it seems like some fans have forgotten just how much involvement and how important Bryan Singer was to "X-Men: First Class". __________________ Admiral Young Chief of Operations Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

November 5 2012, 05:29 AM	#188
Set Harth Commodore Location: Ekkaia	Re: X-MEN: Days Of Future Past (Casting, Rumors, Pics till release) Yeah, no "mutants=gays" moralizing in FC to speak of... ...what? __________________ Are you casting aspersions on my asparagus?

November 5 2012, 06:06 AM	#191
Samurai8472 Vice Admiral	Re: X-MEN: Days Of Future Past (Casting, Rumors, Pics till release) "Don't be ashamed of your true self" "Mutant and Proud" I guess that flew over some people's heads __________________ "Inception" is a layer cake.

November 5 2012, 01:23 PM	#193
Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Location: Arlington, VA	Re: X-MEN: Days Of Future Past (Casting, Rumors, Pics till release) The X-Men have always been an allegory for persecuted groups. It started with the Civil Rights movement, but it quickly identified itself with gay rights (which makes sense since most mutants are also part of a group that is not visually identifiable). I thought X-Men First Class was the most effective at emphasizing the themes. Considering the plot of this movie, I see no reason to expect differently here. __________________ When on Romulus, Do as the Romulans

November 5 2012, 02:00 PM	#194
Sindatur Rear Admiral Location: Sacramento, CA	Re: X-MEN: Days Of Future Past (Casting, Rumors, Pics till release) Heh, this is just like reading the Discussion thread for First Class all over again. "Thank God he wasn't involved in this movie" "But, he was involved in the movie, from the get-go, barely anything was changed" __________________ One Day I hope to be the Man my Cat thinks I am Where are we going? And why are we in this Handbasket?

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November 5 2012, 02:30 PM	#195
Ian Keldon Fleet Captain	Re: X-MEN: Days Of Future Past (Casting, Rumors, Pics till release) There is a difference between a concept being an allegory, and the execution of the concept being all about the allegory. Singer in 1, 2 and most of 3 spent far too much time on the philosophising, and nowhere near enough time on the "POW! BAM! ZAP!" The X-Men and Magneto in the first two and a half films are pathetically weak, and have few chances on screen to demonstrate their true power. The only time Magneto in particular was written properly powers wise was the lifting of the Golden Gate Bridge. He NEVER got Jean/Phoenix right except the little "teaser" bit at the end of 2. In short, however good some things might have been about the first 3 films, they failed to "embrace the spandex" and thus fail as superhero movies, which makes the approach in FC the far superior version, and Singer had the least to do with that film.