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Old October 31 2012, 01:17 AM   #16
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Re: Why didn't Kirk just contact Sulu?

It was actually Spock, not Kirk, who ordered contact with Sulu to determine the location of the conference, which makes his pressing further into the mind meld even more of an oddity. He knew, while it was happening, that it wasn't very pleasant to either party, yet he also knew that he could break it off at any second and just call Sulu.
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Old October 31 2012, 05:19 AM   #17
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Re: Why didn't Kirk just contact Sulu?

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One more question about TUC...When Uhura and crew were trying to speak in Klingon, shouldn't they have Klingon translation computers onboard the Enterprise by now, rather than thumbing through actual hardbound books?
Chekov explains it at 0:36 of this clip.
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Old October 31 2012, 03:30 PM   #18
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It doesn't appear likely that any of the people aboard would actually know how to speak Klingon. How many USN personnel spoke Russian during the Cold War? And that's a language they would have had available in libraries everywhere, rather than an alien one.

In ST3, it's something of a plot point that Kirk doesn't know any Klingonese, and only manages to get Maltz to beam him up by imitating a phrase he overheard from Kruge...

In was Archer, not Kirk, who had a linguist as part of the bridge crew. Well, and nuPike, too; apparently, nuKirk has one now as well.

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Old October 31 2012, 11:12 PM   #19
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Pawleygirl wrote: View Post
One more question about TUC...When Uhura and crew were trying to speak in Klingon, shouldn't they have Klingon translation computers onboard the Enterprise by now, rather than thumbing through actual hardbound books?
Nichelle Nichols raised this very point with Nick Meyer, but he insisted they play the scene as filmed because he thought it would be funnier.

For more info consult her book "Beyond Uhura".
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Old October 31 2012, 11:26 PM   #20
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Pawleygirl wrote: View Post
One more question about TUC...When Uhura and crew were trying to speak in Klingon, shouldn't they have Klingon translation computers onboard the Enterprise by now, rather than thumbing through actual hardbound books?
Nichelle Nichols raised this very point with Nick Meyer, but he insisted they play the scene as filmed because he thought it would be funnier.

For more info consult her book "Beyond Uhura".
I'd have to spend thirty cents on it and I'm just not comfortable making that kind of investment for Nichelle Nichols life story.
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Old November 1 2012, 01:28 AM   #21
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One more question about TUC...When Uhura and crew were trying to speak in Klingon, shouldn't they have Klingon translation computers onboard the Enterprise by now, rather than thumbing through actual hardbound books?
Nichelle Nichols raised this very point with Nick Meyer, but he insisted they play the scene as filmed because he thought it would be funnier.

For more info consult her book "Beyond Uhura".
I'd have to spend thirty cents on it and I'm just not comfortable making that kind of investment for Nichelle Nichols life story.
Where did you come up with that figure? Is that the going rate on Amazon these days?
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Old November 1 2012, 10:43 PM   #22
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Re: Why didn't Kirk just contact Sulu?

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One more question about TUC...When Uhura and crew were trying to speak in Klingon, shouldn't they have Klingon translation computers onboard the Enterprise by now, rather than thumbing through actual hardbound books?
Nichelle Nichols raised this very point with Nick Meyer, but he insisted they play the scene as filmed because he thought it would be funnier.
And he was right. Good call.
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Old November 2 2012, 12:56 AM   #23
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They probably didn't want to force Sulu to break orders if they could help it. Still the scene where they had to use the Klingon dictionaries didn't make sense, just because they couldn't use the universal translator doesn't mean they couldn't have had the ship just translate the text for them. Also why would they have paper copies of the Klingon dictionary on board, wouldn't it just be electronic? Even so I did enjoy the scene.
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Old November 2 2012, 02:36 AM   #24
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There's so much bad logic in TUC that singling these things out is shooting fish in a barrel.
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Old November 2 2012, 06:45 AM   #25
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There's so much bad logic in TUC that singling these things out is shooting fish in a barrel.
I'm just curious, but what's some of the bad logic in TUC? I never really hear much about that in this movie.
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Old November 4 2012, 02:51 PM   #26
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I'm just curious, but what's some of the bad logic in TUC?
There's a whole chapter in the "Nitpicker's Guide".

Also check out IMDb:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102975/trivia?tab=gf
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Old November 4 2012, 05:03 PM   #27
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There's so much bad logic in TUC that singling these things out is shooting fish in a barrel.
I'm just curious, but what's some of the bad logic in TUC? I never really hear much about that in this movie.
Chekov, head of security in The Motion Picture... doesn't know that shooting phasers on a starship will set off the alarm!

Bang!
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Old November 4 2012, 07:30 PM   #28
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The Zombie Vulcan wrote: View Post
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There's so much bad logic in TUC that singling these things out is shooting fish in a barrel.
I'm just curious, but what's some of the bad logic in TUC? I never really hear much about that in this movie.
Chekov, head of security in The Motion Picture... doesn't know that shooting phasers on a starship will set off the alarm!

Bang!
Well, he had bugs crawling around his brain and a massive sub cranial hemorrhage. I think I'll let it slide.
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Old November 4 2012, 08:33 PM   #29
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How many USN personnel spoke Russian during the Cold War?
During the Cold War? Probably a few aboard every major ship.

If the Federation/Starfleet had enough information on the Klingons to compile translation dictionaries, there should have been personnel aboard the Enterprise who spoke the language. They departed Earth on a diplomatic mission that would meet the Klingons, inspite of the presence of the UT, there should have been a Klingon cultural expert on board who spoke the main Klingon language.

And as others have noted, if there were no one aboard who spoke Klingon, the UT could have give a display of the incoming transmission from the Klingons, and provided (again a display) the proper response, plus a correct pronunciation in Uhura little blue-tooth.


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Old November 4 2012, 09:04 PM   #30
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Re: Why didn't Kirk just contact Sulu?

The Zombie Vulcan wrote: View Post
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My Name Is Legion wrote: View Post
There's so much bad logic in TUC that singling these things out is shooting fish in a barrel.
I'm just curious, but what's some of the bad logic in TUC? I never really hear much about that in this movie.
Chekov, head of security in The Motion Picture... doesn't know that shooting phasers on a starship will set off the alarm!

Bang!
Maybe it was a very newly installed device and the formation about it for the officers was Tuesday!
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