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Old November 1 2012, 02:53 AM   #46
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Re: Was it ever stated officially why Harry was an Ensign for 7 years?

You would have thought that Basics would have cleaned their pallets of any more such idiotic inclinations?

HOLODECKS SUCK.

I preferred it when Starfleet officers controlled their boredom with whiskey and sex.
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Old November 1 2012, 03:01 AM   #47
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A TOS man then.
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Old November 1 2012, 03:58 AM   #48
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Re: Was it ever stated officially why Harry was an Ensign for 7 years?

Possibly?

This is why Chakotay didn't get laid in Resolutions.

A real man would have invented wine and produced several dozen bottles before telling the only girl on the planet that he loved her constructing some bullshit all or nothing scenario.
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Old November 1 2012, 06:26 AM   #49
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Re: Was it ever stated officially why Harry was an Ensign for 7 years?

Angry warriors do NOT make wine. Or, apparently, get laid

It's a good point though about the whiskey and sex outlet of the pre-holodeck era. Both those things involving real people interactions with potential for conflict and relationships, FALLOUT. No fallout on the holodeck, they had to malfunction for that to happen. Instead of the constant holodeck malfunctions they could have been having real malfunctions with each other and developed the characters and their relationships.

They should have had to suffer like the rest of us rather than making all their mistakes with photonics!!
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Old November 1 2012, 06:28 AM   #50
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Maybe Kim just didn't earn a promotion because he's a poor officer, and if he hadn't been stranded in the DQ, he'd eventually have been forced out of the service.
If he was that poor, they wouldn't have kept him as the operations officer. That's a critical position. Instead he would've wound up stationed with Telfer, Harren, and Tal Celes.
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Old November 1 2012, 06:37 AM   #51
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Maybe the whole thing was a plot on his part to get demoted and stand next to Tal Celes all day!!
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Old November 1 2012, 07:13 AM   #52
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And he failed at that too??? Okay, he was just incompetent.

Next we'll find out that the Operations position on Voyager was automated, and Janeway filled the posting with screwups that she wanted to keep an eye on.

Same with the helm.

Same with Engineering, which is why they could lose so many people without apparent short-staffing or loss of efficiency.

Same with the sick bay, really.

Hmm, I sense a pattern here. Finally, it becomes clear why the bioneural gelpacks made a difference in the Intrepid-class. The ship didn't require a crew to run it! They were just there for show and occasionally to carry padds from place to place. And near-total automation would also explain why the self-destruct requires only one officer.

Wow, this show makes so much more sense now.
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Old November 1 2012, 07:14 AM   #53
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Re: Was it ever stated officially why Harry was an Ensign for 7 years?

So you've realized it at last. Janeway is the only one that matters.
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Old November 1 2012, 11:56 AM   #54
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Promotion is only useful when there's somewhere to go when you're promoted.
Harry Kim to have received no promotion for seven years would have looked bad for his Starfleet career. The fact would permanently be noted in Kim's service record. When a officer remains at the very bottom of the rank scale for a protracted time period, there's a reason.

Janeway made the decision to maintain Kim where he was.

I sort of feel like future commanders looking at his service record and raising their eyebrows at the "Ensign for 7 years" part would most likely then see "U.S.S Voyager" printed right after it, and accept that as a pretty legitimate explanation. Everyone's going to know who the Voyagers were.
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Old November 1 2012, 01:11 PM   #55
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Re: Was it ever stated officially why Harry was an Ensign for 7 years?

In the original Timeline where it took Voyager 21 years to get home... Kim was still an Ensign and Naomi Wildman was a Lieutenant Commander.

Positioned on Voyager is just Kim making excuses.
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Old November 1 2012, 03:35 PM   #56
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Angry warriors do NOT make wine. Or, apparently, get laid
This all can be explained by my theory that Janeway castrated Chakotay right after Caretaker. It also explains why he was so lifelike and likable in that episode and lost it all the next and never got it back.
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Old November 1 2012, 09:32 PM   #57
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In the original Timeline where it took Voyager 21 years to get home... Kim was still an Ensign and Naomi Wildman was a Lieutenant Commander.

Positioned on Voyager is just Kim making excuses.
That or Janeway really, really didn't like him for whatever reason.
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Old November 2 2012, 06:36 AM   #58
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Maybe she liked him too much, but as a lap dog. You wouldn't want your cute little lap dog to turn into a golden retriever.
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