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View Poll Results: Rate The Persistence of Memory.
Outstanding 71 56.35%
Above Average 41 32.54%
Average 12 9.52%
Below Average 1 0.79%
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Old October 31 2012, 08:28 PM   #106
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Absolutely outstanding. I was completely riveted the entire time. I never wanted to put the Kindle down. Part 2 was just so wonderfully done. David absolutely nailed Noonien Soong's voice and thoughts.

I've read all of Trek Lit, and this was definitely the best novel since... well, probably, the Destiny trilogy. I can't recommend it highly enough.
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Old October 31 2012, 08:30 PM   #107
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About the only thing I'm... less than please with in the book is how Geordi's progress in Indestinguishable from Magic has been pretty much completely rolled back.



Bad editing? Or did Dave not get a copy to read before starting?
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Old October 31 2012, 08:45 PM   #108
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Well, we all know how bad Geordi's luck with women has perennially been. Maybe things didn't work out with Leah.
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Old October 31 2012, 09:12 PM   #109
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Well, we all know how bad Geordi's luck with women has perennially been. Maybe things didn't work out with Leah.
Or they hit the reset button a little too hard this time.
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Old October 31 2012, 09:12 PM   #110
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Well, we all know how bad Geordi's luck with women has perennially been. Maybe things didn't work out with Leah.
It was meant to tie into All Good Things...
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Old October 31 2012, 09:16 PM   #111
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Well, we all know how bad Geordi's luck with women has perennially been. Maybe things didn't work out with Leah.
Then it should have been at least mentioned. Bad editing, if not possibly bad writing.
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Old October 31 2012, 09:37 PM   #112
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Haven't read IFM yet (but really looking forward to it), but I was rather fond of the Brahms-LaForge coupling on the show ...

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Old October 31 2012, 09:52 PM   #113
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Old November 1 2012, 06:43 AM   #114
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Old November 1 2012, 09:00 AM   #115
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To Edit XYZ:

Check out the logic paradox of Thesues' ship.

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Old November 1 2012, 01:02 PM   #116
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I can only assume that Edit XYZ hasn't read the book, or he'd never claim
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Old November 1 2012, 01:12 PM   #117
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Newspaper Taxi

Theseus' ship is less a paradox and more a matter of defining terms. And it applies only in the real world:
For example - for a japanese, function and form defines the identity of something, not the atoms that made this something at one time.
For a greek, it's the atoms that make an ancient temple/etc.

About conscious beings (humans); indeed, for all living entities:
Did you know that the atoms that make you are completely replaced every ~7 years?

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Old November 1 2012, 02:23 PM   #118
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Did you know that the atoms that make you are completely replaced every ~7 years?
I know that's one of those many inaccurate factoids that most people assume are true because they've heard it many times, like the old "we use 10 percent of our brains" myth. In fact, different body tissues are replaced at different rates. Some cells, like blood and skin and stomach lining, are constantly being shed and replaced, while others, like heart and brain cells, and of course stem cells, stay with us throughout our lives. Every woman is born with her ovaries containing thousands of egg cells, only a few hundred of which will go through ovulation before she dies, so those cells and their constituent atoms are with her throughout her entire life. The atoms within cells can be replaced at varying rates, but many of those replacement atoms will be recycled from elsewhere within our own bodies. Studies of people born before and after atomic testing increased the amount of carbon-14 in the atmosphere have shown that in the former category, most of the DNA in their neurons had carbon isotope ratios consistent with the atmosphere before nuclear testing, proving that most of their neurons were formed in childhood. That proves their neuronal DNA molecules were still made of the same atoms they'd been made of decades before.



As long as you keep making assumptions without having read the book, you'll just embarrass yourself further.
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Old November 1 2012, 02:40 PM   #119
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My copy just arrived. Starting it now.
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Old November 1 2012, 02:57 PM   #120
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Fine.
If you insist on being utterly accurate in this tangential issue, then yes, only about ~90% of our atoms change in ~7 years (feel free to search for the exactly precisely etc accurate values if you wish).

This biological fact more than proves my point regarding this nature of living systems in relation to an overthought greek definition-seeking of the concept "the same".

And in relation to thought and consciousness - tell me, Christopher, is your mental world - your thoughts, feelings and aspirations - the same as 7 years ago? As 1 year ago?

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