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View Poll Results: Rate Immortal Coil.
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Old October 29 2012, 01:45 PM   #16
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Yes i'm currently reading the book and i think the most he got from Exo III would have been inspiration
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Old October 29 2012, 02:51 PM   #17
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And I've always thought it made perfect sense that Soong would've had Flint as a mentor. Rayna and Lal both died from essentially the exact same thing -- mental collapse upon emotional awakening/crisis -- so it seemed logical that Rayna was a positronic android, and that Soong's work expanded on Flint's. So I was pleased when IC came to the same conclusion.
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Old October 29 2012, 05:11 PM   #18
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What would be your summary of the plot of the book? and also any analysis (since Memory Beta often lacks that)?
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Old October 29 2012, 05:26 PM   #19
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^ Good summary, Matthunter.
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Old October 29 2012, 09:25 PM   #20
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Meh, bit the bullet and ordered the 11 euro copy of Immortal Coil. I really, really want to read it before PoM, so hopefully IC arrives before PoM.
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Old October 30 2012, 12:16 AM   #21
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Here's what I didn't like:
[LIST][*]Connecting Soong to Exo III sort of cheapens Soong's achievement in my book. Now, I realize this is sort of silly, because of course it makes sense that Soong's genius would not have developed in a vacuum. However it hit a sore point with me at the time because I felt like I could see a pattern of the franchise undermining its own legends by over-explaining them through continuity acrobatics. The major, most grating example of this for me is the Temporal Cold War on Enterprise during which Archer gets tipped off to the later creation of the Federation, thus emotionally cheapening the entire premise of the franchise of humanity managing to better itself under its own power. It's also just a big small universe syndrome thing ...[*]I have a thing for good locked room mysteries and Coil kind of tickles that in the beginning, but then unceremoniously sweeps it under the rug ...[*]Parts of it just felt a bit shaky and not very fleshed out, in particular some of the actiony bits were quite rough (e.g. that hand-to-hand combat scene with Riker) and the hideout towards the end.
Pretty much covers it. I'd add that the interesting locked room mystery is thrown away cheaply and disappointingly, the book reads like a loosely thrown together continuity exercise and was a real let down.
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Old October 30 2012, 03:09 AM   #22
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I enjoyed this book. It had the right amount of action, emotional moments and exposition. Nothing was overdone, except maybe the continuity references, although I haven't seen or read any TOS so that wasn't a deal-breaker for me.
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Old October 30 2012, 07:01 AM   #23
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I really enjoyed this one. I thought Jeffrey Lang nailed it, and to heck with it, I enjoy "continuity porn" from time to time, especially when it makes sense. Here's my review!
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Old October 30 2012, 11:15 AM   #24
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I really enjoyed this one. I thought Jeffrey Lang nailed it, and to heck with it, I enjoy "continuity porn" from time to time, especially when it makes sense. Here's my review!
It used elements from TOS to tell its story but those elements didn't feel forced, like they do in a lot of crossover stories.
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Old October 30 2012, 08:06 PM   #25
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Allright, just got this in today and since PoM should arrive in a few days, I'm making a pot of coffee and start Immortal Coil.
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Old October 31 2012, 04:04 AM   #26
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I thought this was a beautifully written novel. Data's courtship of Rhea was fun, charming and fascinating to witness from Data's POV. Lang treats the reader to brilliant insight into the character of Data through his emotional exploration and unique inner thought processes. A favorite scene of mine from the book is the flashback to Soong's past that takes Data just a handful of milliseconds to experience.

My compliments to the author for creating such a marvelous character as Rhea and my thanks, in advance, to David Mack for the possibility of her turning up in his new trilogy (my fingers are crossed). But if she fails to make an appearance, I'll still be grateful to at least see this fine story built and expanded upon in his books.

This is the first Jeffery Lang Trek novel that I've ever read -- does he have any other Trek offerings worth checking out?
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Old October 31 2012, 04:53 AM   #27
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This is the first Jeffery Lang Trek novel that I've ever read -- does he have any other Trek offerings worth checking out?
"Dead Man's Hand" from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: The Lives of Dax

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: Section 31: Abyss with David Weddle

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: The Left Hand of Destiny books 1 and 2 with J.G. Hertzler

"Foundlings" from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: Prophecy and Change

"Mirror Eyes" with Heather Jarman, from Star Trek: Tales of the Dominion War

Star Trek: Voyager: String Theory, Book One: Cohesion

"Talent Night" from Star Trek: Voyager: Distant Shores

"Where Everybody Knows Your Name" from Star Trek: Constellations
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Old October 31 2012, 06:34 AM   #28
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I've read and really enjoyed everything on that list except "Where Everybody Knows Your Name". I would highly recommend all of them.
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Old October 31 2012, 03:24 PM   #29
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Just finished this last night. It makes me wish for more Data. I loved the way Mr.Lang handled him. Rhea is now one of my favorite litverse characters. I really hope she shows up in Mack's trilogy. I would also like to see the cabal of sentient artificial life forms that Sam mentioned..

Gret job Mr. Lang
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Old October 31 2012, 09:55 PM   #30
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Just finished this last night. It makes me wish for more Data. I loved the way Mr.Lang handled him. Rhea is now one of my favorite litverse characters. I really hope she shows up in Mack's trilogy. I would also like to see the cabal of sentient artificial life forms that Sam mentioned..

Gret job Mr. Lang
I finished today. Otherwise, exactly my sentiment! Although I had read the book years before, I had completely forgotten the ending, so it was thrilling and all new to me again.
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