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Old October 30 2012, 04:48 PM   #46
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Re: The Borg in JJverse

I loved the Borg, but they don't belong in this timeline. I realize this is an alternate reality and anything can go, but I hope they stick to either races in TOS era or create new ones. If you want a scary race, how about Gorn? What could be more scary than a race of monster lizards taking over the ship?
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Old October 30 2012, 05:23 PM   #47
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Seeing as how how JJ wants to make the ships huge (insert innuedo about compensating here), a cube would be the size of a small moon!
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Old October 30 2012, 05:24 PM   #48
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Re: The Borg in JJverse

The Gorn are the baddies in the prequel videogame (events from which will supposedly be referenced in the next movie):
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Old October 30 2012, 11:59 PM   #49
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Seeing as how how JJ wants to make the ships huge (insert innuedo about compensating here), a cube would be the size of a small moon!
And if they use that line from SW, I'll never forgive him!
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Old October 31 2012, 12:51 AM   #50
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Seeing as how how JJ wants to make the ships huge (insert innuedo about compensating here), a cube would be the size of a small moon!
And if they use that line from SW, I'll never forgive him!
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Old November 18 2012, 10:46 PM   #51
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If they're going to bring back the Borg, they need to be treated with respect. If they're supposed to be so fearsome, the writing needs to validate that idea, not undercut it.

Starfleet cannot be allowed to beat them except under very unusual circumstances, ie, the writers come up with a way for Starfleet to be astonishingly clever about it. And even then, this should happen rarely.

And assimilation is P E R M A M E N T. No more go-backs, no wiggle room. Allowing characters to be de-Borged just because they are main characters really undercuts the Borg's credibility.

And NO QUEEN!

Yeah that just about covers it.
A self-defeating prescription.

If you make the borg have no chinks in its armor, it'll utterly crush the federation. No amount of 'clever' can overcome the HUGE advantages - in terms of military technology/intelligence and numbers - that the borg enjoys - without said chinks in its armor.
The implausibility will become that it somehow fails to bitch slap the federation on an ongoing basis; more than enough to break the suspension of disbelief.
The writers' job is to make this plausible, that's what they're getting paid for. If the Borg are going to continue to be wussified, then its best to ignore them. I just outlined the problem, it's not my job to come up with a solution. I know it's not an easy problem to solve without recourse to some silly contrivance like Q puts up a magic barrier to stop the Borg.
A, yes - a credible way of consistently stopping an unstoppable juggernaut, with no exploitable chinks in its armor*.
The fact that this problem has no solution is a fatal weakness of your concept.

*After this, the writers could take on something easier - like creating a functioning free energy device.

As for the Queen, the problem is that she was invented to have some sexy babe harass Data in the movie, and it really had nothing to do with what makes the Borg interesting, namely their inhuman-ness.

They should be too indifferent to humans to bother creating a puppet with which to communicate - the way the Borg "communicate" is by assimilating your ass! - as as already mentioned, Queenie acted more like a individual than a puppet anyway. And why use the same puppet all the time? The Borg could assimilate a crew member and use that person as a puppet, that would freak the humans out real good.
The borg can be impossible to communicate to - too different, too alien - without being unstoppable.
We are talking about 2 very different attributes.
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