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Old October 30 2012, 04:11 PM   #166
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But Emma can tell when people lie and Emma knows Regina doesn't love Henry.
What episode was this determined in? I don't recall it.
In the first or second episode, when Emma was still planning to leave Storybrooke, she directly asked Regina if she loved Henry. There was no character to speak to, but she immediately canceled her plans and took a room at Granny's (where she first saw Gold, who was collecting from Granny.) She clearly found it necessary to stay precisely because Regina did not love Henry. Emma's need to save Henry was her motivation for pretty much the entire season.

Speaking of motivation, wasn't the origin of Henry's book just dropped? Or did I miss a throwaway line or quick scene while in the kitchen for refills or whatever?
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Old October 30 2012, 04:18 PM   #167
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Speaking of motivation, wasn't the origin of Henry's book just dropped? Or did I miss a throwaway line or quick scene while in the kitchen for refills or whatever?
I don't know if it was stated, but I thought August (Pinocchio) wrote the book. He came to town saying he was a writer, and he successfully added a new story to the book.
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Old October 30 2012, 04:32 PM   #168
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But Emma can tell when people lie and Emma knows Regina doesn't love Henry. Except that now she plainly does. Seems close enough to a character rewrite to me that it's hard to know what else to call it.
I think you're either misremembering or misunderstood something. Regina's loved Henry since the first episode.
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Old October 30 2012, 04:40 PM   #169
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But Emma can tell when people lie and Emma knows Regina doesn't love Henry. Except that now she plainly does. Seems close enough to a character rewrite to me that it's hard to know what else to call it.
I think you're either misremembering or misunderstood something. Regina's loved Henry since the first episode.
In the first or second episode, when Emma was still planning to leave Storybrooke, she directly asked Regina if she loved Henry. There was no character to speak to, but she immediately canceled her plans and took a room at Granny's (where she first saw Gold, who was collecting from Granny.) She clearly found it necessary to stay precisely because Regina did not love Henry. Emma's need to save Henry was her motivation for pretty much the entire season.
I guess I should add that Henry needed saving only because Regina didn't love him, therefore could not be a good mother to him, despite her keeping to public standards for physical care and comfort.

Vendikarr, I thought some of the backstories were in the book but Pinocchio was a kid who couldn't realistically be expected to know the backstory. Of course, the sudden importation of realistic standards about what a character could be expected to know in-universe doesn't necessarily apply to a fantasy. That's an SF thing. So, you may be right.
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Old October 30 2012, 04:49 PM   #170
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Horhay Garcia is going to be in next week's episode. He's pretty close with Lana Parrilla, so I was wondering if and when he'd show up.

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I love the *idea* of this show but I haven't been sold on the execution as of yet. I wish visually it looked less like Wisteria Lane but I could deal with that. I just haven't been able to really gel with the characters and storylines. When I'm watching it I always feel like I'm watching a show I don't really get lost in it.
I feel the same way.
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Old October 30 2012, 05:42 PM   #171
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Vendikarr, I thought some of the backstories were in the book but Pinocchio was a kid who couldn't realistically be expected to know the backstory. Of course, the sudden importation of realistic standards about what a character could be expected to know in-universe doesn't necessarily apply to a fantasy. That's an SF thing. So, you may be right.
The only other logical option is that the book was a construct of Mr. Gold, as part of his long term plan to have Emma break the curse. Someone had to get her to Storybrook, and who better than her son.
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Old October 30 2012, 10:16 PM   #172
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This was a great episode. I loved that Whale is indeed Dr Frankenstein (although the closest they came to saying so was calling him "Victor").
Nah, his laboratory assistant (Ygor?) addressed him directly as "Dr. Frankenstein" at the very end . . . .
No kidding? That got by me. I'll have to check it out.
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Old October 30 2012, 11:02 PM   #173
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Season 3: Luke, Han, and Leia. Turns out Mr. Gold was really Vader.
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Old October 30 2012, 11:25 PM   #174
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Season 3: Luke, Han, and Leia. Turns out Mr. Gold was really Vader.
Well, he was trying to convert his apprentice to the dark side . . . .

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Old October 31 2012, 01:41 AM   #175
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Old October 31 2012, 02:31 AM   #176
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So do i have this straight here:


Rumpelstiltskin/Mr. Gold was a coward and about to lose his child to the war with the Ogres. Enter the Dark One Zoso whom wants to die so he tricks Rumpy into killing him, thus freeing himself and giving his curse/powers to Rumpy.

From what ive gathered so far that during this time till Baelfire was lost, there was no other magic in this realm. Well except Fairy magic.

Now once Baelfire was sucked into that portal, Rumpy had to find a way there. Now guessing his only way to do this was find a bean. Guessing some reason he couldnt find one and Mad Hatter couldnt find a way here either.

So he then came up with the curse but realized it would be better for someone else to open the curse. So he found Cora and gave her a book of magic, which besides Fairys means that she is the only one besides him that can handle magic.

But seeing how Cora wasnt on the right path for Rumpy or some reason wasnt following his desired plan, he used Regina to get rid of her and used the events in her life to get her to where she would unleash the curse.

Guessing at the same time he also gave powers to Maleficent for unknown reasons. Again maybe as a fall back plan.

Now once curse is hit and all transported to Storybrooke, Rumpy had to wait till timeing was right for Emma to finally come there.
Guessing he wrote the story book to get things started cause his whole plan was to get to our realm so he could go get his son, but still needs his power cause hey he is a coward.

So other words this was a plan from the start for Rumpy to gather power, and help from others to find a way here.
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Old October 31 2012, 03:40 AM   #177
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I guess I should add that Henry needed saving only because Regina didn't love him, therefore could not be a good mother to him, despite her keeping to public standards for physical care and comfort.
Like I said, you were misremembering or misunderstanding something. The only reason she let Regina take Henry was because she did believe her when she said she loved him. Otherwise there was no way in Hell she was going to let Regina be his guardian. She still recognized that Regina was an evil bitch and wanted to get Henry away from her, but she didn't suspect that Regina would try to harm him in anyway because of that belief.
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Old October 31 2012, 06:25 AM   #178
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Yeah, Regina has always loved Henry. I don't think that has ever been disputed.
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Old October 31 2012, 06:35 AM   #179
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Regina claimed she loved Henry, but the show did sort of subtly play up the question of whether or not that claim was in fact accurate before revealing in A Land without Magic that it in fact was, at least to a degree.
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Old October 31 2012, 07:41 AM   #180
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Henry is the embodiment of her remaining capacity to love after the death of her father.
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