John Simm wants to be the Master again - Page 3

Jim Steele · October 25 2012, 09:00 AM

In keeping with the tailoring each Master to the current Doctor theme, I think Benedict Cumberbatch would be a marvellous Moriarty for Matt Smith. Not that I'm the first to think that or anything. Hope it happens.

Emh · October 25 2012, 10:30 AM

I just realized something. Anthony Ainley wanted to play a straight, darker version of The Master, too, and tried to do this in The Planet of Fire but JNT made him ham it up more. What is it about showrunners who want to make The Master all manic like against the wishes of the actors who want to play him straight?

Psion · October 25 2012, 04:27 PM

And speaking of Anthony Ainley, he stuck around as the Master from Baker to McCoy, so I'm not sure why there's a notion that the character must change with every Doctor.

Jim Steele · October 25 2012, 04:41 PM

^ Well, there isn't, except that John Simm strikes me as the perfect contemporary of Tennant to play 10's nemesis. He's the Anti-Dave. So it strikes me further that Beanaddict Crumblethatch would be the perfect contemporary of Matt's if Moffat was to make a similar decision.

DWF · October 26 2012, 02:15 AM

I think Tony Curran would make a better Master for Smith's Doctor than Cumberbatch.

Australis · October 26 2012, 02:16 PM

I'd like to see a transition from one Mater to another, not off-camera. And I would like to see Simm's darker, more still take.

Alidar Jarok · October 26 2012, 02:51 PM

DWF wrote:

I really like John Simm's Master, but he was really Tennant's Master, I'd just as soon see a new Master for Matt Smith's Doctor.

See, I like having a continuity of Masters between the Doctors. It emphasizes his role as a separate character who can also get recast rather than just a mirror of the Doctor. Of course, he can be a mirror too, but I wouldn't mind at least one episode overlap.

Captaindemotion · October 26 2012, 05:05 PM

I have no difficulty with them re-casting Simm and the nature of the Master's role is that, like the Doctor, he can be reinvented. Having said that, it's been a long time (if ever) since any actor played the Master opposite two different Doctors (I believe Anthony Ainsley may have done so, no?) so it might be interesting to see how Simm's Master might react to a new Doctor, having only ever encountered Ten.

Saul · October 26 2012, 05:13 PM

Jim Steele wrote:

^ Well, there isn't, except that John Simm strikes me as the perfect contemporary of Tennant to play 10's nemesis. He's the Anti-Dave. So it strikes me further that Beanaddict Crumblethatch would be the perfect contemporary of Matt's if Moffat was to make a similar decision.

I agree with this. But I could also see Simm as a character that ties the continuity of the 10th and 11th Doctor's together in a nice way.

Hey, why not have both!

Captaindemotion · October 26 2012, 05:53 PM

^They could do something like what they did with Derek Jacobi as Yana- have Simm make an appearance and regenerate soon into the storyline.

Kelthaz · October 26 2012, 06:43 PM

I think we should have an episode with Smith and Simm to see if they have chemistry before ditching him.

Jim Steele · October 26 2012, 07:18 PM

Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy if Simm came back and sparred with Smith's doctor too. Either way I think it's a given that the character will be back in some form

Sindatur · October 26 2012, 08:32 PM

Captaindemotion wrote:

I have no difficulty with them re-casting Simm and the nature of the Master's role is that, like the Doctor, he can be reinvented. Having said that, it's been a long time (if ever) since any actor played the Master opposite two different Doctors (I believe Anthony Ainsley may have done so, no?) so it might be interesting to see how Simm's Master might react to a new Doctor, having only ever encountered Ten.

Ainley started with Tom Baker and was still there in McCoy's last Story. So, he actually did 4 different Doctors, since Colin Baker worked with him in The Trial Season

Captaindemotion · October 26 2012, 08:44 PM

^I thought he might have appeared opposite Davison and Baker but hadn't realised he'd appeared alongside 4 Doctors. Thanks for clarifying. I guess this does show that there's no need for a new Master to appear opposite each new Doctor.

The Wormhole · October 26 2012, 10:01 PM

Technically, Ainley worked with six of the seven classic era Doctors, since he did have scenes with Troughton and Pertwee in The Five Doctors. He also had scenes with Hurndall as well, though I'm not sure of he counts.

October 25 2012, 09:00 AM	#31
Jim Steele Vice Admiral Location: Darkest Scotland	Re: John Simm wants to be the Master again In keeping with the tailoring each Master to the current Doctor theme, I think Benedict Cumberbatch would be a marvellous Moriarty for Matt Smith. Not that I'm the first to think that or anything. Hope it happens. __________________ Gamewank: Wank about Games

October 25 2012, 10:30 AM	#32
Emh The Doctor Location: Japan	Re: John Simm wants to be the Master again I just realized something. Anthony Ainley wanted to play a straight, darker version of The Master, too, and tried to do this in The Planet of Fire but JNT made him ham it up more. What is it about showrunners who want to make The Master all manic like against the wishes of the actors who want to play him straight? __________________ "Eccleston was a tiger and Tennant was, well, Tigger. Smith [is] an uncoordinated housecat who pretends that he meant to do that after falling off a piece of furniture." - Lynne M. Thomas "I'm in Hell and it's full of Avons!" - Vila

October 25 2012, 04:27 PM	#33
Psion Commodore Location: Lat: 40.1630936 Lon: -75.1183777	Re: John Simm wants to be the Master again And speaking of Anthony Ainley, he stuck around as the Master from Baker to McCoy, so I'm not sure why there's a notion that the character must change with every Doctor. __________________ First delete the default cube.

October 25 2012, 04:41 PM	#34
Jim Steele Vice Admiral Location: Darkest Scotland	Re: John Simm wants to be the Master again ^ Well, there isn't, except that John Simm strikes me as the perfect contemporary of Tennant to play 10's nemesis. He's the Anti-Dave. So it strikes me further that Beanaddict Crumblethatch would be the perfect contemporary of Matt's if Moffat was to make a similar decision. __________________ Gamewank: Wank about Games

October 26 2012, 02:15 AM	#35
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October 26 2012, 02:16 PM	#36
Australis Writer Location: The Electric Age	Re: John Simm wants to be the Master again I'd like to see a transition from one Mater to another, not off-camera. And I would like to see Simm's darker, more still take. __________________ I will not accept tyranny, any tyranny, even that of Heaven - Terry Pratchett. Always choose cognac over cocaine. -- Jon Lord

October 26 2012, 05:05 PM	#38
Captaindemotion Vice Admiral Location: Ireland	Re: John Simm wants to be the Master again I have no difficulty with them re-casting Simm and the nature of the Master's role is that, like the Doctor, he can be reinvented. Having said that, it's been a long time (if ever) since any actor played the Master opposite two different Doctors (I believe Anthony Ainsley may have done so, no?) so it might be interesting to see how Simm's Master might react to a new Doctor, having only ever encountered Ten. __________________ Hodor!!!!!!!

October 26 2012, 05:53 PM	#40
Captaindemotion Vice Admiral Location: Ireland	Re: John Simm wants to be the Master again ^They could do something like what they did with Derek Jacobi as Yana- have Simm make an appearance and regenerate soon into the storyline. __________________ Hodor!!!!!!!

October 26 2012, 06:43 PM	#41
Kelthaz Commodore Location: Toronto, Ontario	Re: John Simm wants to be the Master again I think we should have an episode with Smith and Simm to see if they have chemistry before ditching him. __________________ "Who are you?! And how did you get in here?!" "I'm the locksmith. And... I'm the locksmith." Last edited by Kelthaz; October 26 2012 at 07:23 PM.

October 26 2012, 07:18 PM	#42
Jim Steele Vice Admiral Location: Darkest Scotland	Re: John Simm wants to be the Master again Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy if Simm came back and sparred with Smith's doctor too. Either way I think it's a given that the character will be back in some form __________________ Gamewank: Wank about Games

October 26 2012, 08:44 PM	#44
Captaindemotion Vice Admiral Location: Ireland	Re: John Simm wants to be the Master again ^I thought he might have appeared opposite Davison and Baker but hadn't realised he'd appeared alongside 4 Doctors. Thanks for clarifying. I guess this does show that there's no need for a new Master to appear opposite each new Doctor. __________________ Hodor!!!!!!!

October 26 2012, 10:01 PM	#45
The Wormhole Admiral	Re: John Simm wants to be the Master again Technically, Ainley worked with six of the seven classic era Doctors, since he did have scenes with Troughton and Pertwee in The Five Doctors. He also had scenes with Hurndall as well, though I'm not sure of he counts. __________________ "Internet message boards aren't as funny today as they were ten years ago. I've stopped reading new posts." -The Simpsons 20th anniversary special.