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Location: Terra 3
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Rugal
While it's not up there with the best episodes, I enjoyed this one because it did present a moral dilemma but did so without the life and death planet/civilization level consequences. Yet these were very real consequences and life altering to the people directly involved. Certainly Sisko correctly identified that Rugal was the victim of Dukat's little scheme and that he was the villain of this. But really you could make an argument and a very convincing one, for both sides of this case. Kotran Pa'Dar certainly has every right to want his son back. I don't think anyone could deny that and he was as much of a victim of Dukat's scheming as Rugal was. Proka has an equally convincing claim to the boy having raised him as his own. Yet when you ask what's best for Rugal, the answer isn't very clear. He's been raised with Bajorian beliefs and a very clear prejudice towards Cardassians and likely has been and would be victim to that racism on Bajor. Even Ziyal would later point out that the Bajorians never fully accepted her there. Yet on the other hand it's also the only life he knows and going back to his biological father would literally be sending him away to live with strangers. Ultimately I think Sisko made the right choice, but this is a hard one to say the least. Rugal's quite literally trapped between two worlds and cultures. Picard had a similar choice with Jono and the Talarians in Suddenly Human, but chose the opposite of what Sisko did. Then again Sisko didn't have Gul Dukat threatening war over the issue either.
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Vice Admiral
Location: Cardăsa Terăm--Nerys Ghemor
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Re: Rugal
Personally, I consider Proka to have been a psychological abuser. Those claims were never satisfactorily put to rest on the show--only physical abuse was ruled out. But a child does NOT bite someone, at 12 years old, without being seriously disturbed. And judging from the attitudes Rugal had internalized, I think that he was indeed hearing such talk at home as well as in public. I did not approve of sending him back to a totalitarian regime where he would likely end up victimized if not even killed by the Obsidian Order. Sending a child back into such a society after he/she has known a freer society is in and of itself abusive. Looked at this way, both options suck (staying with Proka or going to Cardassia), since there's pretty much a 100% chance of abuse, either in the home or outside of it. That's what raises the third option. Look at Kotan Pa'Dar. That man was desperate to have his son back, and I think he would've done anything to be reunited permanently with Rugal. I think he was even desperate enough that he would've accepted a voluntary exile to either Bajoran or Federation space (and Bajoran space could include the less racist DS9, if the Bajorans were to lay down a stipulation that he had to stay in their territory--not to mention it would make enforcing a restraining order against Proka easier). Of course, that would mean Dukat would get his political victory, in at least some sense. But the winner (or as close as possible in this situation) would be Rugal, and that would be the most important thing. Rugal would have to adjust to Pa'Dar, who struck me as unconditionally loving, even when Rugal was hateful to him (I do not think Proka knew how to love in that way!), BUT he would not be totally wrenched out of his culture and environment. Another good stipulation would be perhaps to require that Pa'Dar be tolerant of Rugal's religion and not interfere with Rugal going to temple services. But, again, I suspect Pa'Dar would've been willing, based on what we saw. Getting his son back seemed to be paramountin his mind.
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Vice Admiral
Location: Warped off into the sunset. With fond memories of most of you, and not a little sorrow at leaving.
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Re: Rugal
Rugal has a very anti-Cardassian perspective; he thinks Cardassians are something to be feared and hated. It's equally clear that he acquired this attitude from his adoptive father (Proka) and other Bajorans in his adoptive family and community. It's also clear that as far as Proka is concerned - and as far as Rugal himself is concerned - Rugal is a Bajoran. And while Proka's attitude toward Cardassians is not an enlightened one - unlike characters such as Kira, and somewhat ironically given his love for his adoptive child, he doesn't seem to learn that "Cardassian Union policy" is not "Cardassians the race" - the perspective is an understandable one. Not one I believe to be healthy or justified, but certainly (sadly) expected given what Bajor has suffered. What the Proka-or-Pa'Dar dillemma means to Rugal's future, other than the obvious, is determining whether the issue of his status as a Cardassian is going to be forced out into the light. Hence the episode's title, I suppose. One of the problems here in determining what's best for Rugal is whether more long-term damage would be caused by forcing a confrontation of his Cardassian nature now, or allowing it to be buried for the foreseeable future. If his health and happiness is the primary concern - and Sisko identifies that it is - then the question becomes, should Rugal be made to confront what his upbrigining has clearly tried to shove under the carpet; namely, that he has grey skin and ridges and is, however you look at it, and in some ways at least, a Cardassian. Nerys Ghemor has already provided a possible answer that avoids reducing this to a zero-sum game, wherein he has to be either a Cardassian on Cardassia or go back to being a Bajoran on Bajor who is almost certainly going to suffer ongoing self-esteem issues and possible abuse due to his race. Indeed, Nerys' answer lets him remain a member of Bajoran culture in the safety of Bajoran space while placing him with a Cardassian parent who can hopefully let him build a healthier perspective on his race and, when he's ready, allow exploration of Cardassian heritage. I think she's pointed to the better solution, but since the episode didn't explore that, the question seems to be - throw Rugal in at the deep end of Cardassian identity or let him go back to denying it (and maybe - probably - dealing with shame over it?) Uprooting him from Bajor and placing him among people he's been taught to hate - and making it clear that he is now considered one of them - is going to be destructive to him in the short term...but long-term, the case can definitely be made that it's the better choice. If it was his Bajoran family who taught him, explicitly or not, that being Cardassian is a bad thing, then the fault lies there. It'll be hard, but perhaps in the sense that forcing someone through withdrawal rather than letting them continue using a health-destroying drug is hard. Confronting that pain is better than the alternative. So, staying on Bajor is the far less traumatizing choice...but that's short-term thinking only. After all, Rugal might be suffering considerable damage from his adoptive father's attitude even if Proka isn't being knowingly abusive. Proka can genuinely love Rugal and intend no harm, but the boy must understand himself to be Cardassian on some level. If Cardassians are bad...well, he's a Bajoran, yes, but looking in the mirror it's pretty clear that he has grey skin and ridges. Surely part of him, acknowledged or not, is going to be picking up the message that there's something inherently evil about him that he has to fight or overcome? And on top of that, he's being denied the ability to openly explore part of his heritage, because even if he came to embrace his Cardassian blood even partially, he'd have no opportunity to comfortably explore it. I think that viewing Rugal's situation on Bajor as abusive doesn't have to mean we see Proka as anything other than well-meaning and loving. Children and adolescents can be seriously damaged regardless of intent, and without malice. It's that, I think, above all, that makes child abuse and allegations of it so difficult.
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Fleet Captain
Location: The Black Country, England
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Re: Rugal
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Rear Admiral
Location: On the run.
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Re: Rugal
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Admiral
Location: The Red Flag: May Day 2013
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Re: Rugal
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Location: Sacramento, CA
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Re: Rugal
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Vice Admiral
Location: Cardăsa Terăm--Nerys Ghemor
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Re: Rugal
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Commodore
Location: Gul Re'jal is suspecting she's in the wrong tale
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Re: Rugal
The problem is that in the episode no one really bothered to check why Rugal hated all Cardassians. Was it because of what he saw them doing, or was it because he was told they were evil. Or perhaps a mix of both. |
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Admiral
Location: The Red Flag: May Day 2013
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Re: Rugal
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Rear Admiral
Location: Sacramento, CA
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Re: Rugal
Thanks Sci and Gul Spook, that was exactly what I was getting at, a chld wouldn't know the distinction (Heck even many adults who have been through only a single trauma at the hands of a certain race/ethnicity are just as likely to hate the whole lot of them as they are to be rational and realize not all of them are like that, let alone being through an entire years long war/occupation)
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