Sons of Mogh... AWFUL ending - Page 6

ichab · October 13 2012, 05:17 PM

I agree that the ending wasn't very satisfying, but considering the amount of things the writers got right on this show, I'll give them a pass for an occasional screw up like this.

I DO wish we could have seen Kurn later in the last season during the whole dominion war arc. Possibly as a loyal Klingon fighter who ironically ends up loyal to Gowron. That would have been interesting.

Nightdiamond · October 13 2012, 10:37 PM

Probably would have been even more powerful if they did that with Alexander.

I think the problem is a lot of fans might have been tired of the tragedy for Worf arc that kept occurring.

It was as if they threw Kurn's life away to write it in the story.

Kurn was an interesting character, so it seemed like the way he exited the series was...awkward.

It would have been cool to have seen him later on his new life and identity.

R. Star · October 13 2012, 10:40 PM

ichab wrote:

I DO wish we could have seen Kurn later in the last season during the whole dominion war arc. Possibly as a loyal Klingon fighter who ironically ends up loyal to Gowron. That would have been interesting.

That would have been quite ironic. It's even odds if Gowron would recognize him though. Of course knowing how twisted he is, he'd probably appreciate the irony of grooming Kurn to kill Worf or something.

Jono · October 14 2012, 02:54 AM

DonIago wrote:

I'm pretty sure in "Ethics" Worf intended to have Riker kill him. Riker then points out that it's Alexander's role to kill him, not Riker's. But there's no mention of Worf killing himself.

Riker explains the ritual at around the 5:50 mark.

Worf'sParmach · October 14 2012, 04:37 AM

ichab wrote:

I DO wish we could have seen Kurn later in the last season during the whole dominion war arc. Possibly as a loyal Klingon fighter who ironically ends up loyal to Gowron. That would have been interesting.

That would have been really good! Not even that far fetched, as Kurn once fought for Gowron during the Klingon Civil War. He could have been living as "Rodek," Gowron figures out who he really is and uses it against Worf. Worf is then faced with having to kill him knowing it was his brother.

Mr_Homn · October 14 2012, 04:48 AM

Worf'sParmach wrote:

ichab wrote:

I DO wish we could have seen Kurn later in the last season during the whole dominion war arc. Possibly as a loyal Klingon fighter who ironically ends up loyal to Gowron. That would have been interesting.

That would have been really good! Not even that far fetched, as Kurn once fought for Gowron during the Klingon Civil War. He could have been living as "Rodek," Gowron figures out who he really is and uses it against Worf. Worf is then faced with having to kill him knowing it was his brother.

Something like that would definitely go a long way to retroactively making "sons of mogh" a better episode within the greater continuity as well, because it's not such a crappy ending for a great character.

R. Star · October 14 2012, 05:23 AM

Worf'sParmach wrote:

ichab wrote:

I DO wish we could have seen Kurn later in the last season during the whole dominion war arc. Possibly as a loyal Klingon fighter who ironically ends up loyal to Gowron. That would have been interesting.

That would have been really good! Not even that far fetched, as Kurn once fought for Gowron during the Klingon Civil War. He could have been living as "Rodek," Gowron figures out who he really is and uses it against Worf. Worf is then faced with having to kill him knowing it was his brother.

The height of irony being all Gowron would have to do is tell "Rodek" the truth. "Your brother cost you your honor, then wiped your mind and tossed you aside like garbage. He destroyed your life, but you can get it back by killing him!"

Mr_Homn · October 14 2012, 05:47 AM

Zombie Redshirt wrote:

Worf'sParmach wrote:

ichab wrote:

I DO wish we could have seen Kurn later in the last season during the whole dominion war arc. Possibly as a loyal Klingon fighter who ironically ends up loyal to Gowron. That would have been interesting.

That would have been really good! Not even that far fetched, as Kurn once fought for Gowron during the Klingon Civil War. He could have been living as "Rodek," Gowron figures out who he really is and uses it against Worf. Worf is then faced with having to kill him knowing it was his brother.

The height of irony being all Gowron would have to do is tell "Rodek" the truth. "Your brother cost you your honor, then wiped your mind and tossed you aside like garbage. He destroyed your life, but you can get it back by killing him!"

I can definitely hear that in Gowron's voice. Nice.

Anwar · October 14 2012, 04:19 PM

That's actually happening in a novel. Kurn/Rodek gets into some kind of accident that starts undoing Bashir's mind wipe (which was really a type of suppression) and realizes "Worf...you did something to me..."

Worf'sParmach · October 24 2012, 01:26 AM

Zombie Redshirt wrote:

The height of irony being all Gowron would have to do is tell "Rodek" the truth. "Your brother cost you your honor, then wiped your mind and tossed you aside like garbage. He destroyed your life, but you can get it back by killing him!"

I can totally hear Gowron saying that. I'm going to now pretend this is what actually happened,

I can't imaging TPTB didn't think of this also. There must have been some type of scheduling issues with Tony Todd. The way Sons of Mogh ended, I just knew we'd see him again. Letting that be the end of things was too "TNG."

DonIago · October 24 2012, 03:47 AM

No...TNG would have found a way for Kurn's situation to be resolved without Worf having to have his memory blanked.

Dream · October 24 2012, 04:21 AM

Worf'sParmach wrote:

I can't imaging TPTB didn't think of this also. There must have been some type of scheduling issues with Tony Todd. The way Sons of Mogh ended, I just knew we'd see him again. Letting that be the end of things was too "TNG."

I think you meant too "VOY."

TNG mostly followed through with big event episodes.

Tom Riker · October 24 2012, 06:37 PM

Gotta hand it to Worf. When he broke his back he begged Riker to kill him, but he was too chicken. When Kurn realizes he has nothing to live for, Worf mans up and doesn’t hesitate.

John Mason · October 24 2012, 07:40 PM

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Worf'sParmach · October 24 2012, 10:16 PM

Dream wrote:

I think you meant too "VOY."

TNG mostly followed through with big event episodes.

Yes, that is probably more accurate.

October 13 2012, 05:17 PM	#76
ichab Fleet Captain	Re: Sons of Mogh... AWFUL ending I agree that the ending wasn't very satisfying, but considering the amount of things the writers got right on this show, I'll give them a pass for an occasional screw up like this. I DO wish we could have seen Kurn later in the last season during the whole dominion war arc. Possibly as a loyal Klingon fighter who ironically ends up loyal to Gowron. That would have been interesting. __________________ May the force be with you.

October 13 2012, 10:37 PM	#77
Nightdiamond Fleet Captain Location: California	Re: Sons of Mogh... AWFUL ending Probably would have been even more powerful if they did that with Alexander. I think the problem is a lot of fans might have been tired of the tragedy for Worf arc that kept occurring. It was as if they threw Kurn's life away to write it in the story. Kurn was an interesting character, so it seemed like the way he exited the series was...awkward. It would have been cool to have seen him later on his new life and identity.

October 14 2012, 04:19 PM	#84
Anwar Vice Admiral Location: Regina, SK, Canada	Re: Sons of Mogh... AWFUL ending That's actually happening in a novel. Kurn/Rodek gets into some kind of accident that starts undoing Bashir's mind wipe (which was really a type of suppression) and realizes "Worf...you did something to me..."

October 24 2012, 03:47 AM	#86
DonIago Rear Admiral Location: Burlington, VT, USA	Re: Sons of Mogh... AWFUL ending No...TNG would have found a way for Kurn's situation to be resolved without Worf having to have his memory blanked. __________________ --DonIago It was the best of Trek, it was the worst of Trek... "If I lean over, I leave myself open to wedgies, wet willies, or even the dreaded Rear Admiral!"

October 24 2012, 06:37 PM	#88
Tom Riker Lieutenant	Re: Sons of Mogh... AWFUL ending Gotta hand it to Worf. When he broke his back he begged Riker to kill him, but he was too chicken. When Kurn realizes he has nothing to live for, Worf mans up and doesn’t hesitate.

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October 24 2012, 07:40 PM	#89
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