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Old October 19 2012, 05:53 AM   #16
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Re: Is Babylon 5 suppose to be seen in widescreen?

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As a result, you have some scenes in season one where you can clearly see crew members in the background; some shots of the end of the set (where a wall just ends for no reason); and I think that there are also a couple of boom mikes that creep in.
John Flinn absolutely knew he was filming widescreen. The cameras were marked for both fullscreen and widescreen. You can see this in one of the early documentaries (the one hosted by Walter Koenig). Such shots don't exist as far as I know. Stuff like the painting at the end of the central corridor was visible in either version.
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Old October 19 2012, 07:07 PM   #17
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Re: Is Babylon 5 suppose to be seen in widescreen?

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The CGI wasn't rendered in that high of a resolution because they were using Amigas, and they figured it would be easier to re-render the CGI in whatever higher resolution became the standard down the line. No one expected the master files to be lost.
I thought that the CGI was framed to *expect* to get cropped down to a widescreen format. In other words, they were told not to put much of anything important in the portion of the frame that would get cropped off.
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Old October 20 2012, 01:33 AM   #18
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Re: Is Babylon 5 suppose to be seen in widescreen?

The CGI for the first three years was done by Foundation which rendered them in PAL format instead of NTSC and PAL format has a higher resolution than NTSC.
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Old October 20 2012, 07:31 PM   #19
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Re: Is Babylon 5 suppose to be seen in widescreen?

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The CGI wasn't rendered in that high of a resolution because they were using Amigas, and they figured it would be easier to re-render the CGI in whatever higher resolution became the standard down the line. No one expected the master files to be lost.
The master files were lost? What's the story behind that?

Does this mean Babylon 5 will never be released on Blu-Ray since it will be too costly to redo all the CGI?
Exactly what I said: Warner Bros. lost the original CGI master files. The Lost Tales used fan-made models for the CGI.

It's possible that someone will go back, re-scan all of the Babylon 5 footage, remaster the episodes, and redo all the CGI and it would be glorious. But it's more likely that I will be the first man on Mars.
With today's tech, & lots of fans, as well as for-profit schools...the cost of re-doing scenes might not be as bad as we think...
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Old October 20 2012, 08:18 PM   #20
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Re: Is Babylon 5 suppose to be seen in widescreen?

^I think you're underestimating the sheer volume of work involved in replacing every CG effects shot in 110 episodes. It's not just spaceships. It's also the PPG bolts, bluescreen backgrounds/set extensions, the occasional creature and...well let's just say "today's technology" and enthusiasm are poor substitutes for a talented crew and a budget.

Oh and then there's the fact that some of the raw footage was eaten by rats...

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Old October 20 2012, 10:21 PM   #21
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Re: Is Babylon 5 suppose to be seen in widescreen?

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No one expected the master files to be lost.
But when it happened Doctor Who fans everywhere felt like someone had just walked over their graves.
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Old October 20 2012, 10:43 PM   #22
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No one expected the master files to be lost.
But when it happened Doctor Who fans everywhere felt like someone had just walked over their graves.
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Old October 21 2012, 05:03 AM   #23
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It's also the PPG bolts
Those were done by rotoscope.
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Old October 21 2012, 10:54 AM   #24
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It's also the PPG bolts
Those were done by rotoscope.
But the DVDs still go to cropped, low-resolution video whenever someone fires one. So rotoscope or CGI, it still seems they were composited in 4:3.

The worst thing about this is it can actually spoil some surprises. You know someone is about to fire a gun a few seconds before they do because the video goes all grainy!
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Old October 21 2012, 07:21 PM   #25
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Re: Is Babylon 5 suppose to be seen in widescreen?

Everyone's forgetting that 1 CGI file still exists and that's for the Star Fury model and it was used in the Lost Tales movie.

But with the CGI, whether it was rendered in PAL or NTSC originally, for the DVD's (and the 1080i Broadcast masters) Warner Brothers cropped the footage from NTSC master tapes. So the DVD's, whether NTSC, PAL or SECAM are derived from NTSC sources.

But if Warner Brothers ever remasters the series, it'll be interesting too see if the redid Crusade at the same time and just included it as B5 Season 6. The Crusade DVD's are presented in their 4:3 versions.
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Old October 21 2012, 08:26 PM   #26
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Oh and then there's the fact that some of the raw footage was eaten by rats...
Did those rats also happen to be angry DS9 fans?
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